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<blockquote data-quote="BigTex" data-source="post: 249677" data-attributes="member: 43589"><p>[USER=38109]@Cataceous[/USER], we do agree on more than we disagree on. While I am not a doctor, but I would never start myself on a high dose of anything. As we agreed, side effects are very hard to shake after they get started. Especially as we get into our late 50-60+. Why take the chance. I honestly think that some of the guys here are quite a bit younger and they for the most part will be able to handle some of the bigger doses. Can they maintain that as they age, I rather doubt it. The biggest concern is getting a baseline mapped out and frequently monitoring all of these factors to catch problem before they are very hard to get rid of. Most of these side effects can be reversed unless we continue to ignore them.</p><p></p><p>Guys like me, I guess there are very few of us. I have surely had a very high normal testosterone level until I started using high does of AAS for sport. I never managed to get through PCT more that 2-3 weeks because it was like deflating a big balloon. Size, gone, body weight gone and strength was pathetic. Strength athletes panic when this happens because you spend so much time and money gaining it all. So I got right back in the game. Probably why in the end I was able to take it to such a high level. I have backed off the weight and eventually the drugs. Like so many top level athletes it becomes a do or die situation at some point, especially when you get close to the top. I never wanted to be one of those who later on says "what if." But that seemed to be one of my problems with any sport I took up, I was always very competitve and was very obsessive/compulsive. I competed in football, baseball, track, kick boxing (PKA), competitive water skiing. So I am a very different case and certainly have a much different views on this stuff than guys who are truly androgen deficient. I was taking TU and my source didn't bother testing a batch he got before the last Olympics when we all stocked up expecting a shortage. I finally notice I was gradually starting to feel low T, 4 months later. I believe I tested at ~350, so I doubled the dose. Three months later ~320 so off I go to the doctor. Granted this 320 was still well within the elimination half-life of the good TU I had done 7 months earlier. So I can only imagine how low mine would have been after a year. Possibly ZERO? So I am here for a totally different reason, but still well within the TRT guidelines. As much as I would like to be in the 3000-4000 range, my day in the game is over and I have to find a way to deal with that. At my age I admit that would be silly thinking. But yest I think most of us old guys often wonder what it would be like to be 26 again.</p><p></p><p>As for the pain, arthritis runs in both sides of my family As we age connective tissue and disk start getting thin and brittle. My mother has arthritis in the hands, my father had degenerative disk disease as well as my younger brother (RIP). Lucky me, I also have osteoarthritis in both shoulders, the left knee + no meniscus, and the low back. Did years of competitive powerlifing make it worse? Not even my doctor can answer that one. My ortho keeps looking at the damage and doesn't understand how I can handle the pain. The knee is under control as is the left shoulder, but the low back and right shoulder are pretty far gone, I usually have to throw in the Naprosyn on the last month after a 4 month cortisone injection Luckily the cortisol goes systemic over night after the injection and I also get some relief in the back. I just keep fighting through this and hopefully when my times comes, I go out like my friend Dave Draper. Neither me or my wife wants to be a burden on the other having to be cared for. She is a former National Champion and IFBB Pro bodybuilder and has been lifting about as long as I have as well as taking very large doses of anabolic steroids when she competed. When it comes to women being guided with HRT, I promise it is VERY had to find advice worth listening to. Much less a doctor who will even talk to you about it. The drugs female builders do to win would surely scare most of us to death and is rarely talked about. But she is in GREAT health. None of the physiological structural issues I have and have had for many years.</p><p></p><p>Any way, [USER=38109]@Cataceous[/USER] thank you very much for the civil/professional debate. I has been very mentally stimulating. Not sure anything changed but I do believe as I said that we agree on much more than we disagree. I do completely understand that I am very different and probably very many of my views controversial, but then so many don't know the truth about highly competitive athletes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BigTex, post: 249677, member: 43589"] [USER=38109]@Cataceous[/USER], we do agree on more than we disagree on. While I am not a doctor, but I would never start myself on a high dose of anything. As we agreed, side effects are very hard to shake after they get started. Especially as we get into our late 50-60+. Why take the chance. I honestly think that some of the guys here are quite a bit younger and they for the most part will be able to handle some of the bigger doses. Can they maintain that as they age, I rather doubt it. The biggest concern is getting a baseline mapped out and frequently monitoring all of these factors to catch problem before they are very hard to get rid of. Most of these side effects can be reversed unless we continue to ignore them. Guys like me, I guess there are very few of us. I have surely had a very high normal testosterone level until I started using high does of AAS for sport. I never managed to get through PCT more that 2-3 weeks because it was like deflating a big balloon. Size, gone, body weight gone and strength was pathetic. Strength athletes panic when this happens because you spend so much time and money gaining it all. So I got right back in the game. Probably why in the end I was able to take it to such a high level. I have backed off the weight and eventually the drugs. Like so many top level athletes it becomes a do or die situation at some point, especially when you get close to the top. I never wanted to be one of those who later on says "what if." But that seemed to be one of my problems with any sport I took up, I was always very competitve and was very obsessive/compulsive. I competed in football, baseball, track, kick boxing (PKA), competitive water skiing. So I am a very different case and certainly have a much different views on this stuff than guys who are truly androgen deficient. I was taking TU and my source didn't bother testing a batch he got before the last Olympics when we all stocked up expecting a shortage. I finally notice I was gradually starting to feel low T, 4 months later. I believe I tested at ~350, so I doubled the dose. Three months later ~320 so off I go to the doctor. Granted this 320 was still well within the elimination half-life of the good TU I had done 7 months earlier. So I can only imagine how low mine would have been after a year. Possibly ZERO? So I am here for a totally different reason, but still well within the TRT guidelines. As much as I would like to be in the 3000-4000 range, my day in the game is over and I have to find a way to deal with that. At my age I admit that would be silly thinking. But yest I think most of us old guys often wonder what it would be like to be 26 again. As for the pain, arthritis runs in both sides of my family As we age connective tissue and disk start getting thin and brittle. My mother has arthritis in the hands, my father had degenerative disk disease as well as my younger brother (RIP). Lucky me, I also have osteoarthritis in both shoulders, the left knee + no meniscus, and the low back. Did years of competitive powerlifing make it worse? Not even my doctor can answer that one. My ortho keeps looking at the damage and doesn't understand how I can handle the pain. The knee is under control as is the left shoulder, but the low back and right shoulder are pretty far gone, I usually have to throw in the Naprosyn on the last month after a 4 month cortisone injection Luckily the cortisol goes systemic over night after the injection and I also get some relief in the back. I just keep fighting through this and hopefully when my times comes, I go out like my friend Dave Draper. Neither me or my wife wants to be a burden on the other having to be cared for. She is a former National Champion and IFBB Pro bodybuilder and has been lifting about as long as I have as well as taking very large doses of anabolic steroids when she competed. When it comes to women being guided with HRT, I promise it is VERY had to find advice worth listening to. Much less a doctor who will even talk to you about it. The drugs female builders do to win would surely scare most of us to death and is rarely talked about. But she is in GREAT health. None of the physiological structural issues I have and have had for many years. Any way, [USER=38109]@Cataceous[/USER] thank you very much for the civil/professional debate. I has been very mentally stimulating. Not sure anything changed but I do believe as I said that we agree on much more than we disagree. I do completely understand that I am very different and probably very many of my views controversial, but then so many don't know the truth about highly competitive athletes. [/QUOTE]
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