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<blockquote data-quote="BigTex" data-source="post: 249562" data-attributes="member: 43589"><p>What exactly is a giant dose of testosterone? To me that would be 1-2g/wk. That being said, no one would think about being on that kind of dose for the long term. Didn't Dr. Lipshultz said he has done baseline studies on guys doing large doses and monitored their progress over time and has rarely if any, seen any unhealthy side effects? I have seen studies showing left ventricle hypertrophy, but these studies failed to take into account the effect heavy resistance training has on the heart as and adaptive measure. I do see [USER=38590]@readalot[/USER] study on 500mg of testosterone....yes to me that is a pretty big dose too. But people who do these large doses doing them for a short period of time. I also see [USER=38590]@readalot[/USER] as posting:</p><p></p><p><em>Almost 4 years on TRT. Typically 80-120 mg/week of TC (on and off hCG). Played with 1x and 2x per week injections.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Total T between 1500 and 1200 ng/dl (peak) and 500-800 ng/dl (trough). I can get into fT/SHBG and all that if you are interested.</em></p><p></p><p>IMHO, 80-120mg/wk is a fairly low dose, yet his serum T levels are certainly not in the Defy average of 800-950 ng/dl range. I this to be considered a giant dose? Seems to me [USER=38590]@readalot[/USER] is a very health man. Again, it seems a healthy dose is very dependent on the individual and obviously the expert opinion of their doctor. </p><p></p><p>Here is a good study to look at:</p><p></p><p><em>Epidemiological studies have found that men with low or low normal endogenous testosterone are at an increased risk of mortality than those with higher levels.</em></p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/cen.12503[/URL]</p><p></p><p>What we do see is that low and low normal levels are not so healthy. They didn't really describe what higher levels are but I will assume it is greater than low normal levels. My question is this. If I have low T and go to a doctor, do I want to continue to look and feel like a 66 year old man or like a 26 year old man? I know what I am going to say. Quality of life seems to be a big deal and [USER=13851]@madman[/USER] posted a very nice post on that just today.</p><p></p><p>Just for the heck of it, Quest changed the normal range for serum testosterone in 2016 at the advice of the CDC from 348 - 1,130 ng/dL to 250-827 ng/dL. This was based off one study. Are those with normal highs or 1130 now unhealthy?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BigTex, post: 249562, member: 43589"] What exactly is a giant dose of testosterone? To me that would be 1-2g/wk. That being said, no one would think about being on that kind of dose for the long term. Didn't Dr. Lipshultz said he has done baseline studies on guys doing large doses and monitored their progress over time and has rarely if any, seen any unhealthy side effects? I have seen studies showing left ventricle hypertrophy, but these studies failed to take into account the effect heavy resistance training has on the heart as and adaptive measure. I do see [USER=38590]@readalot[/USER] study on 500mg of testosterone....yes to me that is a pretty big dose too. But people who do these large doses doing them for a short period of time. I also see [USER=38590]@readalot[/USER] as posting: [I]Almost 4 years on TRT. Typically 80-120 mg/week of TC (on and off hCG). Played with 1x and 2x per week injections. Total T between 1500 and 1200 ng/dl (peak) and 500-800 ng/dl (trough). I can get into fT/SHBG and all that if you are interested.[/I] IMHO, 80-120mg/wk is a fairly low dose, yet his serum T levels are certainly not in the Defy average of 800-950 ng/dl range. I this to be considered a giant dose? Seems to me [USER=38590]@readalot[/USER] is a very health man. Again, it seems a healthy dose is very dependent on the individual and obviously the expert opinion of their doctor. Here is a good study to look at: [I]Epidemiological studies have found that men with low or low normal endogenous testosterone are at an increased risk of mortality than those with higher levels.[/I] [URL unfurl="true"]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/cen.12503[/URL] What we do see is that low and low normal levels are not so healthy. They didn't really describe what higher levels are but I will assume it is greater than low normal levels. My question is this. If I have low T and go to a doctor, do I want to continue to look and feel like a 66 year old man or like a 26 year old man? I know what I am going to say. Quality of life seems to be a big deal and [USER=13851]@madman[/USER] posted a very nice post on that just today. Just for the heck of it, Quest changed the normal range for serum testosterone in 2016 at the advice of the CDC from 348 - 1,130 ng/dL to 250-827 ng/dL. This was based off one study. Are those with normal highs or 1130 now unhealthy? [/QUOTE]
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