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    Hi Guys. I'm considering TRT at 52 years old

    Hi Guys, I've recently been checked a couple of times for low T and it was Low (1st 146, then 330 with weight training months later). But the Free T was 41.9 and bioavailable T was 80.7. I've attached my latest bloodwork.

    I'm a 52 year old male. I'm 5'11 and 240 lbs. Semi Muscular build all my life. My symptoms are low libido, starting to be difficult with erections, slight depression and anxiety over the last 2 years. I'm normally very positive and easy going. Starting to gain more weight. I'm a long time Jiujitsu fighter and teacher so I still enjoy the sport but I'm noticing that my recovery and strength/endurance has been taking a hit. 2 doctors say I should be treated.

    So, I tried clomid (50mg, then 25, then 12.5) but it made me feel like a little bitch for lack of a better word. I even tried to scale back the dosage. I quit it 2 days ago because of the side effects. Anyhow, I've been reluctant to try TRT injections. But I'm willing to try. Do you guys think this will work better than Clomid? Can I stay on it for long term? Health advantages or Disadvantages? Am I a good candidate? I guess I'm slightly afraid of the unknown. What has been your experiences? Thanks Guys! I gotta run but will check back later...
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    TRT is far more successful than Clomid, Clomid is a drug and not natural to the body, side effects are a given. Testosterone is a natural hormone the body evolved to process and when done correctly has no side effects provided free thyroid thyroid hormones are good and you are working with a hormone specialists that don't typically exists inside insurance networks.

    Most of us here have left our insuranced based care do to TRT ignorant doctors. You would do well on two injections per week, less frequent injections cause huge swings in hormone levels throughout the week and you won't feel your best. The health disadvantages are huge, heart disease, cardiovascular disease, dementia and alzheimer's disease and osteoporosis. Remember testosterone is a natural hormone, the only disadvantages of taking TRT is it can lower your chance of having kids if you're not also on HCG which will keep your testicles from atrophying.

    Women can also have low testosterone, many women feel rejuvenated on TRT, few doctors understand how to do TRT well.

    Your bioavailable testosterone is low, you would benefit from TRT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Systemlord View Post
    TRT is far more successful than Clomid, Clomid is a drug and not natural to the body, side effects are a given. Testosterone is a natural hormone the body evolved to process and when done correctly has no side effects provided free thyroid thyroid hormones are good and you are working with a hormone specialists that don't typically exists inside insurance networks.

    Most of us here have left our insuranced based care do to TRT ignorant doctors. You would do well on two injections per week, less frequent injections cause huge swings in hormone levels throughout the week and you won't feel your best. The health disadvantages are huge, heart disease, cardiovascular disease, dementia and alzheimer's disease and osteoporosis. Remember testosterone is a natural hormone, the only disadvantages of taking TRT is it can lower your chance of having kids if you're not also on HCG which will keep your testicles from atrophying.

    Women can also have low testosterone, many women feel rejuvenated on TRT, few doctors understand how to do TRT well.

    Your bioavailable testosterone is low, you would benefit from TRT.
    Thanks for your response. I think I will give it a try. My urologist can start me on a regimen. He seems decent but it sounds like you are suggesting I find a specialist. How would I go about that? I'm in metro detroit area. Should I google "trt clinic" ?? Or maybe start with my Urologist and see how it goes? Sorry for all the questions - I'm out of my element here LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Dude View Post
    Hi Guys, I've recently been checked a couple of times for low T and it was Low (1st 146, then 330 with weight training months later). But the Free T was 41.9 and bioavailable T was 80.7. I've attached my latest bloodwork.

    I'm a 52 year old male. I'm 5'11 and 240 lbs. Semi Muscular build all my life. My symptoms are low libido, starting to be difficult with erections, slight depression and anxiety over the last 2 years. I'm normally very positive and easy going. Starting to gain more weight. I'm a long time Jiujitsu fighter and teacher so I still enjoy the sport but I'm noticing that my recovery and strength/endurance has been taking a hit. 2 doctors say I should be treated.

    So, I tried clomid (50mg, then 25, then 12.5) but it made me feel like a little bitch for lack of a better word. I even tried to scale back the dosage. I quit it 2 days ago because of the side effects. Anyhow, I've been reluctant to try TRT injections. But I'm willing to try. Do you guys think this will work better than Clomid? Can I stay on it for long term? Health advantages or Disadvantages? Am I a good candidate? I guess I'm slightly afraid of the unknown. What has been your experiences? Thanks Guys! I gotta run but will check back later...

    Welcome to excel!



    Your testosterone levels are definitely low and you would benefit from trt.

    Just understand that even though testosterone is a natural hormone when one goes on trt and is using exogenous testosterone that even though when used in therapeutic doses to achieve healthy levels in the physiological range that chances of experiencing side effects can still happen as many factors come into play and ones genetics and sensitivity of the AR (androgen receptor) play a big role.

    As even at therapeutic doses some men can still experience oily skin/acne, accelerated MPB (male pattern baldness in genetically prone individuals), increased water retention (bloat/puffiness), gynecomastia (in genetically prone individuals).

    Many men can have issues with elevated e2 even when using trt doses as some men are what one would call high aromatizers of T--->e2.

    Sure aromatase inhibitors can be used when needed to control e2 but many issues can also arise.

    The majority of side effects one may encounter would be cosmetic aside from a negative effect on ones lipids if high doses are used and of course increased hemoglobin/hematocrit which is a given and will happen when one uses exogenous testosterone.

    Many men end up having to donate to control hemoglobin/hematocrit.....so although trt when done properly and ones hormones are in a healthy range, it can greatly improve a patients overall well being and relieve/improve symptoms of low testosterone among other overall health benefits!

    Just understand that it is not as simplistic as raising ones testosterone levels as it can be a bumpy ride along the way.....slow and steady they say!

    If you live in the Detroit area I would look into Dr. John Crisler for trt.

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    "If you live in the Detroit area I would look into Dr. John Crisler for trt. "
    YEP!!!!!!!!
    Also below is a "shot gun approach" of related links, articles and book recommendations (Also a DR. John link).
    Get the books, if you have not already, and spend to time reading and educating yourself, if you have not done that already.
    First step iseducation....
    ********************************
    Cannot tell how much research you have done on TRT.
    If not a lot, I recommend you get a few books.
    Get a few good books and educate yourself now:
    1. Get Nelsons book "Testosterone: A Man’s Guide".
    2. Get Lee Myer's book "Natural Versus Testosterone Therapy".
    3. Get “Testosterone for life - Dr. Abraham Morgentaller “.
    4. Get “The Definitive Testosterone Replacement Therapy MANual: How to OptimizeYour Testosterone For Lifelong Health And Happiness” by Jay Campbell.
    These books will give you a much better understanding of TRT....

    ********************************
    ExcelMale.comGuide to Testosterone Replacement
    https://www.excelmale.com/showthread.php?5823-ExcelMale-com-Guide-to-Testosterone-Replacement
    **********************************
    One other forumthat has great info that might be useful to you is:
    http://www.peaktestosterone.com/
    GREAT article onE2 – A MUST READ
    http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Hdr_Estrogen.aspx
    ********************************
    Dr Saya's Videos on Testosterone Therapy and Side Effect Management
    https://www.excelmale.com/showthread.php?15207-Dr-Saya-s-Videos-on-Testosterone-Therapy-and-Side-Effect-Management
    **********************************
    Second step might be to have a look at your thyroid and see if any issues
    there.
    ********************************
    Do some research.
    I do like Tiredthyroid as a starting point.
    Easy to read sections.
    References at the bottom of each section (and NOT from people wearing "tinfoil" hats)
    See below:
    Basic sources to research Thyroid issues and testing:
    ******************************************
    https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/
    Spend time here and get the 2 books, “STTM: The Revised Book” and “STTMII:Authored by Doctors”.
    *******************************************
    http://www.tiredthyroid.com/
    Great simple to understand articles.
    Get her book.... “Tired Thyroid: From Hyper to Hypo to Healing—Breaking the TSHRule”,
    https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asi...Channel=system
    A lot of clear researched information that is easy toread and understand.
    ***************************
    https://hypothyroidmom.com/
    Good info here. Look around.
    *************************
    https://www.restartmed.com/?s=thyroid
    A LOT of good articles and a youtube page.
    Spend time here looking around and reading after getting labs back.
    ************************************

    Do you have Hypothyroidism?
    The CompleteHypothyroidism User Guide for Patients (2018 Edition)
    https://www.restartmed.com/hypothyroidism/
    *********************************
    Need information on thyroid testing....
    Read here:
    http://www.tiredthyroid.com/what-labs.html
    And here:
    http://www.tiredthyroid.com/optimal-labs.html
    and here:
    https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/recommended-labwork/
    and here:
    https://www.restartmed.com/thyroid-tests/
    and here:
    https://www.restartmed.com/hormone-testing/
    And here:
    https://www.restartmed.com/normal-thyroid-levels/
    **************************************
    Some additional links to read before you receive the books you have already ordered
    Go here:
    http://www.allthingsmale.com/publications.html
    and download:
    TRT: Recipe For Success
    Print out.
    and
    HCG Update.
    and
    the TRT Power Point presentation.


    Dr. Crisler is one of the "TRT Cutting Edge DR's" here in the states....
    Also go here:
    http://www.drjohncrisler.com/the-cri...part-deux.html
    and also print out the article.

    ***************************
    ALSO look at the videos that are posted on this site. A LOT of great info to take in....
    ******************************
    Now you will have a great reference library and knowledge base to go forward on!



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    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Welcome to excel!



    Your testosterone levels are definitely low and you would benefit from trt.

    Just understand that even though testosterone is a natural hormone when one goes on trt and is using exogenous testosterone that even though when used in therapeutic doses to achieve healthy levels in the physiological range that chances of experiencing side effects can still happen as many factors come into play and ones genetics and sensitivity of the AR (androgen receptor) play a big role.

    As even at therapeutic doses some men can still experience oily skin/acne, accelerated MPB (male pattern baldness in genetically prone individuals), increased water retention (bloat/puffiness), gynecomastia (in genetically prone individuals).

    Many men can have issues with elevated e2 even when using trt doses as some men are what one would call high aromatizers of T--->e2.

    Sure aromatase inhibitors can be used when needed to control e2 but many issues can also arise.

    The majority of side effects one may encounter would be cosmetic aside from a negative effect on ones lipids if high doses are used and of course increased hemoglobin/hematocrit which is a given and will happen when one uses exogenous testosterone.

    Many men end up having to donate to control hemoglobin/hematocrit.....so although trt when done properly and ones hormones are in a healthy range, it can greatly improve a patients overall well being and relieve/improve symptoms of low testosterone among other overall health benefits!

    Just understand that it is not as simplistic as raising ones testosterone levels as it can be a bumpy ride along the way.....slow and steady they say!

    If you live in the Detroit area I would look into Dr. John Crisler for trt.
    Thanks Madman. I appreciate the advise

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    Thanks Orrin! Really appreciate all the info. Awesome. Now the reading begins...

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