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You are right that's not bad. I prefer the tablets, but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes.

Cheap at 5 to 8 grams twice a day??? Where?

I don't know whether to just be jealous or jealous and depressed that so many of you get good results with such low doses. I can do as much as 20mg per day and barely get any effect and sometimes none. I know trimix is out there, but I really didn't like it.

Well that just depressing as hell. I'm 64 and i already feel like I'm wasting my time most of the time.

I would guess it's your estrogen level. I have the same issue and I can't do anything even with max doses of cialis and viagra. Unfortunately, my libido is through the roof and always has been, so that only adds to the frustration.

I started doing daily dosing of Test Cyp at the beginning of November. About 4 1/2 months from my most recent blood test. The goal was to find an injection schedule that would naturally lower my estradiol and hematocrit levels. My dosing schedule has been 16 mg on Sun, Tue, Thurs, and Sat and...

Night sweats is a definite indicator of high estrogen levels for me. My last test showed me at 88pg/dl. CDG seems to help with the sweats if nothing else.

I'm curious if you are a beer drinker? I am convinced that anxiety can be a symptom of excess estrogen levels for many men. By raising your TRT amount, it is possible that more test is being converted to estrogen and causing anxiety. Beer is also highly estrogenic. One reason that drinking too...

Thanks for your input Vince. Gives me some ideas I had not thought about.

Never thought about it. How high have you gone?

20mg per day and it improved when I took anti-e's until I started passing blood clots.

I have low SHBG, (usually between 11 to 18) and high hematocrit levels. Switched to more frequent injections hoping to get better benefits and lower hematocrit.

Work out 3 to 4 times a week for 44 years. Don't know body fat %, but visible abs. High protein diet and sleep 7 to 8 hours a night.

Copied and pasted from my lab report: Estradiol, Sensitive ESTRADIOL, SENSITIVE 88.2 HIGH 8.0-35.0 03 PG/ML This test was developed and its performance characteristics determined by LabCorp. It has not been cleared by the Food and Drug Administration. Methodology: Liquid chromatography tandem...

I'm 62 and have been on TRT for 22 years. My reason to control estrogen/estradiol is due to issues that don't respond to Cialis and i don't want to use Caverject or anything of that ilk ever again.

Wednesday through Sunday with Monday and Tuesday off. Copied and pasted from my lab report: Estradiol, Sensitive ESTRADIOL, SENSITIVE 88.2 HIGH 8.0-35.0 03 PG/ML This test was developed and its performance characteristics determined by LabCorp. It has not been cleared by the Food and Drug...

My most recent lab work (9/09/2019) shows my Test levels at 788 ng/dl and (sensitive) estrogen level at 88.2 pg/ml. This is achieved with a protocol of 20mg test cyp injected 5 days a week for a total of 100 mg. PLEASE READ THIS PART...Anti estrogens cause me to urinate quarter sized blood...

Sounds like you could easily lower your DHT to within range by slightly lowering your Test dose. 1300 ng/dl is above range. Lowering it slightly isn't going to have a significant impact. What is your estrogen level at that range?

This may be addressed somewhere else, but I can't find it. Do you have a preference between immediate release and sustained release metformin?

I tried this due to issues I have experienced with AI's. After 3 months my estrogen tested at 51.8 pg/mL. Needless to say, things don't work when my E is at that level.

Back work definitely works the biceps, but if you are saying you are working chest, back and arms on the same day, you are way overtraining.

I know this is an old post, but I wonder if this would be true for those who continue to work out throughout their lifetime?

I'm in the no benefit camp.

Some of the well known TRT doctors seem to think they are a pretty good idea. John Crisler, Eugene Shippen and Justin Saya for example.