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I have been on TRT for 14 months and HCG for 10 of those 14 months. I had to demand it from my testosterone mill as they never even mentioned it. This board is what educated me on it. I used compounded HCG at first and it did work until I got a bad vial and over two months everything shut...

I don't think anyone is saying compounded HCG doesn't work. My experience has been that compounded HCG is not as consistently reliable as brand name and doesn't produce the same lab results. Other's may have different experiences.

I found this information very interesting and am glad that you took the time to do this and to share the information. No company or compounding pharmacy will ever study this issue so anecdotal evidence from individuals is all we will ever see. That is how this board has been so useful to me...

This is a very interesting point. I have never done a free E2 and I know they are available on discounted labs but then again I wouldn't know what the number meant if I did one. We are all familiar with target TT and Free T levels but what is a good free E2? My last labs showed this: Total T...

Sorry for the delayed response Gman - I only check the board about once a week. I have no idea why I can't receive PMs! As for your questions I don't mind answering them at all. My initial experience with HCG was using a compounded product but I don't know where it came from. I purchased it...

Nashtide is right in saying that each person responds differently to E2 levels however this board is FILLED with posts from guys who overreacted to E2 levels, crashed their E2 and felt even worse. You are only 6-7 months into hormone replacement, even less when you consider that your regimens...

That is a really good price. I think I am paying $180 a vial. Perhaps I need to shop around. Honestly though I feel good enough that I don't mind paying the extra because I remember how bad I felt on test cyp alone. I wish I could have more faith in the compounded product but I just think...

Gman's experience mirrored mine exactly in two ways. First I was a dramatic responder to HCG. My TT jumped from 600 to 1200 when I added 150 IU/day to my 100 mg of test cyp q 3.5. Currently I am doing 70 mg of test cyp every 3.5 days and 200 IU of HCG daily and my TT is 1200, FT is 20. I am...

Sorry for the delayed response GMan. I buy it from my local pharmacy - just got my last vial two weeks ago. They didn't mention anything about it being discontinued. I know there are other brand names though. I pay extra for it but I think it is worth it. I have experienced wildly different...

I only use prescription HCG - Pregnyl - and the data provided by the pharma company that produces it says 60 days. I have asked several PharmDs and they all say 60. Then again there is the symptom changes I have personally experienced. If someone feels okay with 90 they are free to do so but...

I moved to daily HCG several months ago based on the Crisler protocol and the fact that it seems more natural as your body secretes LH constantly not twice a week. I recently moved to 200IU daily out of frugalness - as 150 IU a day takes 66 days on a 10,000 IU vial and HCG is only good for 60...

I am considering trying trimix for refractory period reasons as much as anything else. After a year on TRT/HCG I have my erectile/sexual function where I want it - at least 80-90% performance most of the time which is better than how it was before TRT. One area which has not improved has been...

I would give it a 4. My doctor did not start me on HCG. I had to insist on it when I reached a point where I just felt awful on TRT alone even though I had not experienced shrinkage. I hypothesize that I need that LH stimulation for overall well being but not sure to be honest. One thing I...

Thank you for clarifying. The very low dose is key. I think you would agree that people quote some enormous doses on here in some cases supported by the Youtube "experts".

The premise is incorrect. You can't feel E2 that acutely over short periods but all of us can certainly fool ourselves into believing that E2 is something we can sense and aggressively "manage" in the absence of any clinical data. The point was not to argue with you though. The point is to...

Just a thought - how would you know what your estrogen level is unless you were getting blood drawn every day? The whole idea of chasing E2 levels based solely upon symptoms that could be caused by any number of factors seems utterly self defeating. I have gleaned a lot of good anecdotal...

My hope is that if my testicles are working well enough post recovery that I can hit half that Total T number without TRT. I was 400 before TRT.

My doctor didn't know anything about HCG. I asked him to prescribe it based upon what I learned on here. 150 IU a day is Dr. Crisler's protocol. I felt horrible before HCG. Correct I did not take an AI. I am with Nelson on this one. There is very little data to support the use of an AI and...

I have been on TRT for 10 months. Regimen is 80mg Test Cyp q 3.5 and 150IU HCG daily. Current labs are TT - 1091, FT - 23, Sensitive E - 32. Numbers are textbook and body comp really changed over last 10 months - went from 20% to 11% body fat - but the side effects - sleep, acne, weak orgasms...

Congratulations on starting your journey. I began the same journey 10 months ago and have dealt with the same sleep issues. My current dose of T Cyp is 70mg every 3.5 days, 150 IU of HCG daily, DHEA 50 mg in the morning and I recently stopped pregnenalone because it was causing extreme...

Easy Vince! I called the 1-800 number on my email receipt and there was no answer. I called the 1-760 number listed prominently on the website and got a voicemail after one ring that said "the person was unavailable." What would you suggest I do man? Do you really think I take time out of my...

Just a heads up for the board. I ordered Cardura and Tadalafil from the securetabs site I saw on this thread and it turned out to be a ripoff. I received a portion of the tadalafil I ordered (Erectafil from a company called Combitic Global) and none of the Cardura. At least they only charged...

Greetings gents - After cruising along for months with textbook labs on 0.4 ml of Test Cyp Q 3.5 and 150 IU every day of HCG I posted before on a strange decrease in Total T. On January 1 my labs (from Discounted Labs) were such: Total T - 626 Free T - 19.7 Estradiol LC/MS - 37.1 SHBG - 40.3...

I am about 6 months in to TRT replacement and have all of my numbers in order - total T around 1000 and free T around 20, estradiol in acceptable range, but now I am starting to experience horrible back acne. I have found it very easy to access regimen info on Test Cyp, HCG etc on this site but...

Yes test cyp came from same pharmacy. So do I have recourse with the lab or do I just need to go back and reorder through discounted labs and cough up the $200 again? I have used the same lab for all of my lab tests. Also, my recurring symptoms would indicate that something is going on.

Injections and blood draws were consistent. I am very strict on that. I started TRT in June so I am 6 months in. On 50 mg twice a week total T was 1143, free was 22 and estradiol was 41 but that estradiol was not the LC/MS assay so may not be legit. We were trying to dial Total T down below...

Currently on 80 mg of Test Cyp injected Monday and Thursday and 150 IU of HCG daily since August. My October labs through discounted labs looked perfect. I checked them again after 8 weeks and there is 36% reduction in total T without having changed anything. Labs were both taken Thursday...

I work in the medical field and use PubMed constantly. A while ago I did a deep dive on herbal supplements and found a lot of interesting peer reviewed data on male performance. Granted a lot of it is small trials and some even rat models but I was impressed at the volume of the data. With...

After six months and two does adjustments and adding HCG I think I am finally dialed in. I have gone through some rough times and thought about quitting but I am happy I didn't. My mood has stabilized, sexual function appears to be back and energy and workouts are great. For those of you...

This is the range on the estradiol - not sure if this is the sensitive assay or not - 25.8 - 60.7

My doctor is now asking me to reduce my dose back down to 40mg twice a week, but add 250 IU HCG injected on the same days. Does HCG really create that much endogenous test production? On 40 mg I was in the mid 500's for total T. These were my numbers after 2 months on 40 mg twice a week which...