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One thing worth considering is even if a low weekly dose divided in small frequent doses lands testosterone numbers in range, it is often the case that men just don't feel good enough or lack libido. Is it not so that even Cat himself was not satisfied with only test?

@Cataceous Interested in your opinion on the fat gains of the Forementioned study. Is it all about the administration once weekly, or can there be some endogenous production on small doses if no GnRH agonist is used. Otherwise the levels seem too low to recommend as a starting dose, cant really...

It would have been nice if the Shalender Basin study would have had groups who trained, also once weekly is not ideal for smaller amounts like 50mg weekly...still 125mg group maintained muscle without training, is that normal for most of the natural population? fat gain in the 50mg group was...

There was this one late great doc who used 60mg of test e as a starting point for all his patients, and he made a name for himself doing that...also i don't think it's wise to use the magical 54% hct as a one size fits all to justify running high levels for decades unless you prefer to have...

Talk about not wanting to wait to share the good news :D It's hilarious.

It all makes sense now after he has been shown to run pdf files as a hobby with the elites how he has given the go ahead for seed oils and statins just to name a couple of questionable statements

I see Attia does not include visits to Epsteins

So you are still on cialis but not kyolic?

Yes, Oral TU is not available in Europe, been thinking of combining IM TU with a small dose of gel daily, since a transdermal alone applied once daily usually ends up taking levels below baseline at through. It's just a matter of getting a prescription for both at the same time and i will try it...

So, is he advocating gel use? Many seem to really get a dip in energy levels with gel or cream in the evening, i believe the fluctuation is bigger with once daily gel/cream than natural. Too bad about the audio.

Ok cool, seems you can feel good with various doses of hcg then, that is quite a lot more than previous 250iu twice per week.

I would second that metformin might be the source of unwellness, on another note, again we see that prediabetes is not always accompanied by low shbg.

so what is the protocol now?

seemed like 500iu did not cause this in any significant amount, also seems like there is something else at play related to the protocol, if i were you i would see if you can ride it out, before playing with the dose, if you otherwise prefer a large dose.

I can tell you why, that data is based on manufacturers data, on frequency of 10-12 weeks for the 1000mg injection, so people are spending most of that time in physiological levels and even low levels for the last weeks.

It's funny you would think injecting a blend at bedtime would be closer to the natural state where t starts going up once you enter sleep...but rarely you ever hear of anyone doing that.

So you stop it always at three weeks but you are always on it unless you travel, confused. there was a protocol recommended by some clinic that had guys using HCG every three weeks for a week, then back to test only. I started a niche experiment with ovidrel, doing three clicks(about 800iu) on...

That would mean subq peaks faster which is far fetched...since i have compared throughs and i have been playing with various esters for 15 years and pretty much know what to expect and get consistent numbers on IM. When i say i have compared subq and im that really means that, and i have never...

Some gels do openly report going back to baseline at 12 hours, like testavan and tostran...personally i feel dead tired in the evening way before bedtime on gel, otherwise it's very nice for about ten hours. I have been wondering about using it twice a day, that would mean keeping the gel tube...

Talk about beating a dead horse, no matter how many times people tell they personally had bloodwork done to prove significantly lower levels on subq injection, cat refers back to studies...and how can a xyosted study be taken as concrete evidence anyway, since it is clear they would not publish...

It probably will not, there are not many of us weirdos around...on another note, injecting HCG and FSH with the same syringe to shoulders with 8mm slin pins causes absolutely no PIP, there is some evidence that HCG could have better bioavailability IM, i wonder why the trend to inject...

After those results i started injecting shoulders twice weekly, i upped the t dose to 30mg, then 37.5mg for just a few times before running labs again, hcg and fsh was kept at 500+90, so the weekly total is twice that for t and gonadotropins. Labs are not through numbers this time as i felt like...

Yeah so far i only found one case on reddit explaining a similar scenario, and i'm fully aware that most people will suspect this to be impossible since as you described, the problem is almost always the opposite, it seems something happens over time, HCG will not cause this low e2 state from...

Just wanted to see if anyone has anything similar going on, this is the second time i have witnessed on my labwork this strange phenomenon of tanked estradiol on combined HCG and testosterone. Now, i'm not certain if last time i was also using test subq, FSH was not in the picture back then...

I did try 150iu of FSH and felt bad, at first i was also doing mon-wed-fri, 500+75, after a short trial total T was 15nmol/l or 430ng/dl, shbg being quite low free testosterone was decent but i lacked libido among other things, E2 was almost low which is funny. My current stance is that using...

Yes, this is very basic and easy to understand, it only takes around 1000iu of hcg per week to have physiological levels of ITT, i doubt e2 induced infertility will be a problem on FSH. I am currently taking 500iu of hcg and 90iu FSH every 3,5 days. I wish i could have sustained it longer...

While recombinant FSH is not, at least in most parts of the world, if one can't afford a short run of it, i would question if having a baby is something one can afford. Also freezing sperm for 10 years will probably be more expensive. Not nearly all guys end up with good sperm on HCG only, and...

But it lasts longer, peak testosterone is achieved around 72hrs and it takes almost twice that for hcg to clear.

HMG does work, it's human derived menotropin that in addition to FSH contain also LH, but the half life for the LH component is very short so hcg should also be kept on board.

To each his own, after years of trial and error and bloodwork, i have come to the conclusion that 2000iu daily keeps me around 85nmol/l during winter months when no uvb radiation is available. Larger doses have always caused issues like anxiety and nausea. I despise people who never do or...

Do you mind sharing your exact protocol? Obviosly results may vary but it's always nice to know how someone gets results like this that many never do.