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I mention it in the context of minimizing T suppression for those who are not on anything else, similar to the protocols that combine it with oral T. I agree that Oxandrolone alone is likely a better thing to try first before jumping into TRT if gym/body comp are the primary goals.

The net takeaway seems like more evidence that men looking to start TRT solely for gym/body composition reasons might want to consider enclomiphene/oxandrolone to start with, although at a lower dose and focused on the post-training anabolic window.

A best I can tell, higher E2 is better for me (higher being above rock bottom) but libido is really not an issue for me. Some people are high responders to DHT and similar substances but as far as I can tell I'm not. Creatine also supposedly raises DHT, but I suspect moderate rises are offset by...

Yes. It's just like when you put a muscle in a cast. It/They atrophy from lack of use

I agree with Phil. Also, in many years of observing the hormone space, AIs seem to be the single highest risk for causing major hard-to-resolve issues, so doing other things, like splitting dosages, adjusting dosages, changing ester/formulation, and using other things that have a mild AI affect...

Another option is to supplement things that act like and AI such as Zinc, melatonin and Cialis, but which don't seem to have the excessive and unpredictable downsides of AIs, and go by symptoms from there. I have the opposite problem of trying to raise E2 so I have been on the lookout to avoid...

yes, several days per week usually

If soreness is your primary issue, it’s possible that lack of anabolism is part of the problem, but it sounds like your protocol should be doable without much soreness. Jumping to Oxandrolone before ruling out some other fundamental issues seems a bit premature so before you jump to that I would...

I would try it and see. A lot will depend on your how recovery-friendly your lifting protocol is. I (almost) never do a set to failure, but I do a lot of near-maximal sets and I have found that this massively reduces the recovery time needed while also letting me do far more near-maximal volume...

I just went back and read your initial post, and unless I missed it somewhere else, I don't see where you've done a thorough check-up with a Holistic/Integrative Doc, someone who would check for nutrient status, long-term infections (e.g. lyme) and other things that could cause your symptoms...

I cut the pills in half. They are quite small but they could be cut again with a pill splitter but I am fine with the 2.5 mg dose, at least in theory since I don't feel anything similar to Gman.

Yes. It's not going to do as much as that plus other anabolics, however I think it's a viable approach if one want a moderate boost. Many people who start TRT looking primarily for gym gains should IMO start with some sort of minimally suppressive protocol such as enclomiphene/oxandrolone...

FWIW, I've found the same thing when I cut my dose of Test cyp, at least in the short term. I would do so permanently and add in Oxandrolone for the anabolic effects, except that my E2 is already very low and I haven't wanted to get into supplementing E2 directly.

Have you run into any strategies for raising E2 in those of us who are perpetually low? I use HCG and my T is high normal but E2 is constantly very low.