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I've run HCG mono protocol numerous times including for an extended time during a fertility protocol (post vasectomy so was complicated and long duration). Always did daily injections 200ius gets me to 750/800 TT. Its superior to test in every way for me, i just don't feel good on exogenous T...

This was my point about adding the HCG. most of the commentary on here re HCG is that is only really raises estrogen. this is 100% not the case with me I get a major T boost. Its possible you are as well and mixed w cream it is shooting you to the moon. I'd be very concerned about prostate...

Yes brain fog and feel clouded also emotional flatness. Lots of info re HCG on threads here. Believe it has something to do with additional hormonal pathways that are shut down on TRT only. Also might have something to do with overall levels all things equal feel more intellectually fluid...

Minor adjustment but yes expect to feel something in some ways you might feel better i did mentally at least. I flushed a lot of weight out as longer T esters left system. SHBG raised a bit maybe 10pts. E2 stayed about same 28-30 but with lower TT of about 750 or 800 so my T:E ratio improved

I take HCG daily also have done various protocols. When doing alone (mono) i take 200iu HCG per day. That gets my TT levels to about 800. It feels very chill i drop all of my water weight from exogenous T head very clear zero sides just lacks a bit of the upside if that makes sense. Great...

I have not started any DHT products yet i just ordered the enenthate from 5ar so i cant comment on yet. Generally i feel flat when protocols level out libido energy etc. Propionate does not agree with me too sharp of swings and gives me a massive headache. Have not been able to figure out...

I think this is a great question. I've tried all the usual adjuncts (deca/oxandrolone/etc.) and like changing T protocols everything seems to feel great until it levels out. I like changing protocols every 3-6 months based on this. Occasionally doing an HCG mono protocol to give the body a...

Any further updates on the DHT E from 5AR? Has anyone been using this for a bit please share.

Appreciate the response. For me definitely not e2. I'm a very low aromatizer and if anything struggle with low e2 at times

Thanks everyone for the replies! Nelson - did you figure this out just by trial and error of trying different meds or did you identify a period (i.e. post injection) where you BP spiked? Also was there some component of your protocol or certain hormone levels that caused this for you? I...

Super old thread but i am having the same issues. Specifically within an hour or two of injecting regardless of dose or frequency. Get a sharp headache in my forehead and sinuses and feels like those muscles tense up and can't be relaxed. Never happens with HCG though and spent significant...

Yes that was correct. I say "was" because i already pulled plug on Oxandrolone as part of protocol. Now 0 for 2 and will re evaluate. But yes, i have always been a low aromatizer. I get a big test bump out of HCG but both test and HCG provide about a 40:1 TT to E2 ratio. I've used DHEA...

ya concerned about lipids as well will have to test if i stick with this. Any other concerns like kidney and liver markers that you would test for? Are you taking the ox orally or sublingually?

Interesting, I got a minor bump in workout endurance but not as significant as yours. Does this protocol seem like something you could run long term or more like something you would cycle to occasionally?

I'm about 2 weeks into my trial. Feels like it has done exactly as intended with SHBG and free T. Has given me some additional mental energy but mild. I've been back on caffeine for a bit and have been able to reduce my intake to a single cup of green tea or two per day no coffee. Sore...

Good luck. I'm starting the same thing 5.75mg/d that's why i asked.. hoping to lower my shbg mainly and want to see if any other perceived benefits.

Interesting, did not know that, thank you

Been following this threat for a while and very intrigued. Thanks to those who have self experimented and shared your experiences. have some questions: 1) Has anyone taken before and after bloodwork on a same protocol just after adding DHT gel to compare total and free T, SHBG, and e2? 2)...

Wanted to post an update on this. Appreciate the help from everyone hoping my results can be of help to others. Also have a few follow up ?s.. So gradually i have worked my way up to 100ius of HCG EOD while lowering my dose from 126mg/wk to 105mg/wk. FunkOdyssey was spot on, i feel better in...

Interesting I've never heard of this, do you have a hypothesis of why this would be? I've seen a few anecdotes of the reverse adding iron helping. I'm glad that worked for you but I'm skeptical of adjusting this as my first move. these things can be very individualized and could be other...

Respectfully disagree. It might not give you big swinging balls, but for me 50iu EOD has pronounced mental effects mostly benefits, raises my e2 5-10pts at first then slowly comes back down, lubricates my joints, and subtlety effects libido and EQ.

Interesting. iron numbers above. Ferritin over 100 right now isn't bad anymore. I've been supplementing iron daily with lysine for about 6 months, and have also lowered dose.

Makes sense. The problem with this for me is sometimes side effects of e2 being too high vs test being too high gets muddy. I used to think all side effects were from e2 because I got brainwashed by bad material but think most were due to test being too high when i was on a larger weekly dose...

I do agree though on the fluctuations that was my point on changing protocols. its definitely something i want to try at some point.

Thanks for replying. So i have tried prop daily and 50/50 prop/enanthate daily. Neither i really liked i felt like i woke up low t every day and the results felt inconsistent. Also was a bit dry for me. Where i tend to feel best is when I change protocols and go above my current baseline...

Appreciate the response, and your content on the forum in general. PS another meat and fruit (AB) guy here... If we assumed my weekly test dose was "optimal" right now as a base for test only protocol (as in not too high or too low, obviously not feeling optimal), would you lower you dose...

Been on TRT for about 2 years. Diet very clean do not drink, smoke, or consume caffeine. Very active. Have tried a lot but not everything. As title suggests I’m feeling “flat” better than being low T but not by much. Lets say feeling about ~60% dialed in. Looking for suggestions on what to try...

Anyone have this and have any success stories/remedies? I myself find antivirals do not really work and have tried monolaurin, XXX, PEMF, probably some other stuff. Find that rest and low stress helps more than anything. Also a prednisone taper works well but try to avoid over using. have...

Im dealing with this right now. Probably had forever and was never an issue until getting Covid for the first time. Now every time I get reinfected with Covid my viral levels come back thru the roof when i get bloodwork. Main symptoms extreme fatigue and brain fog, and swelling of sinus area...

Makes sense. Knew there was some reason behind it. Don't blame them for working for profit, my doc should have known to rx this in. Live and learn