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    Testosterone propionate for TRT

    Yes, it's very interesting, I feel like crap with levels higher than 1200 TT ... but around 600 I jump of joy, I also rise a lot TT with relatively small doses.
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    Testosterone propionate for TRT

    For me 25 mg ED would be too much, and there is no way a could feel good with too much testosterone... with much lower dose I feel great in every way. If I were you I would try 15 mg ED.
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    HCG: How much is safe to use?

    Now I am on Ovitrelle 260 mg every other day. I Just started with Reandron 0.4 ml every two weeks, it will take at least 3 months to reach some steady levels, in the mean time I am on low dose T. Cypionate EOD, when Undecanoate gets stable, I may switch from cypionate to propionate, then I can...
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    HCG: How much is safe to use?

    I have seen myself having high estrogen after a month or two at 87.5 mg testosterone per week. Having a flat level of testosterone is not physiological. Testosterone is testosterone, but the point here is to play with the half life of each ester, so you don't need to crash o have very deep...
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    HCG: How much is safe to use?

    The idea is to resemble as much as possible the natural daily ups and downs, which is a normal circadian rhythm, and to take advantage on the fast metabolism of shorter ester, which would allow to clear it from your system very fast when the levels of estrogens are too high, while always keeping...
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    HCG: How much is safe to use?

    That is actually the dose I started to use from 2 weeks ago, 260 iu EOD, combined with a different aproach of TRT that I have designed for myself (since I don't want to use any Ai, but my E2 rises very easely). It is too soon to say any result, but I am trying to set up a basal safe line of...
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    HCG: How much is safe to use?

    I buy it out of the social security (private prescription), so for me it is 51 €.
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    HCG: How much is safe to use?

    We don't have HCG in Spain (and most countries in Europe) so I use Ovitrelle, which is recombinant HCG. I find it very powerful.
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    HCG: How much is safe to use?

    I'm 50 y/o, I was only concerned about Testicular volume till few months ago when I tried HCG mono at 390 IU EOD and I felt sooo good even when libido was not that good and then my numbers were kind of weird with not much total testosterone and E2 little high. Then I guess I felt so good...
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    HCG: How much is safe to use?

    Tommy Wall, I couldn´t tell you for sure, but certaily you would need to especify which "benefits" you want to enjoy, cause HCG gives many benefits and different doses can be used for each, it is not the same if you only want to preserve testicular volume (lowest dose), or if you want to feel...
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    HCG: How much is safe to use?

    This article was published last year, it is very interesting and mentions some different protocols for dosing HCG in different clinical situations... Indications for the use of human chorionic gonadotropic hormone for the management of infertility in hypogonadal men
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    Testosterone propionate for TRT

    What about doing it SubQ? is it ok? Works as well?
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    Testosterone propionate for TRT

    I have never used propionate, but I've read it is a painfull injection... Taking a painfull injection is not a problem to me, but if it comes to be ED or EOD for life-time then I would need to think about it May Testosterone Propionate be administered Subcutaneously as well as cypionate or...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    Here my numbers on HCG (ovitrelle) monotherapy: TT: 3,28 ng/ml (2,2 – 7,15 ng/ml) FT: 18,06 pg/ml (4,5 – 42 pg/ml) Estradiol ( Inmunocolorimetric assay): 51 pg/ml (<56 pg/ml) FSH: 0,36 mU/ml (0.7 – 11,1) LH: 0,09 mU/ml (0,8 – 7,6) Total Testosterone is not amazing, Estradiol near to top...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    Sure I will do it! But won´t happen untill january when will take the lab work...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    Just an update: Using r-HCG (Ovitrelle) and testosterone together (doses as stated above) I crashed deeply while having elevated levels of testosterone and apparently normal E2. I decreased the dose of testosterone and had just a little improvement... then completely cut off testosterone and...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    I started to feel some loose of libido and some difficulty with erections a while after begining with Ovitrelle (r-HCG), got my labs done and... sorprise... Total T: 12,55 ng/ml (high) Free T: 34,10 pg/ml (high) Prolactine 11,47 ng/ml (normal) Estradiol: 26 pg/ml It seems 110...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    I got my first ovitrelle after finished with the 10 amp. of HMG, (HMG was good, and was giving me better and more stable results over time, but is too expensive). After examining the preloaded ovitrelle pen, I got the conclusion it is not necessary to prefill any syringe. Just use it as a normal...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    I purchased some medicine once from Canada and it was delivered free of issues..., Now I don't remember exactly if it said it was medication... Any way, the trial wouldn't be for the medication itself, but precisely for the delivery from US to Spain. Or might be if I find ovitrelle to be very...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    I am about to try ovitrelle shortly, but since I am exploring all possibilities, I got in touch with reliable RX, and they said they do ship to Spain, so probably even if am to start with ovitrelle, I will try an order of HCG from reliable RX and see what happen. I am still worried about the...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    May be the solution for that problem: http://xurl.es/uoh8g http://xurl.es/i967v What I am planning to do is is to pre-load many 0.3 ml syringes from the ovitrelle pen, then store them into one of those fridging portable devices. Then I'm ready to go immedately when it is time for dose.
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    Update: As I said before, I'm trying HMG lepori in first place cause I already had it when I knew Ovitrelle could be splitted in microdoses... I've had 4 doses of HMG Lepori, not splitting it but taking one whole ampulle of 75 IU each FSH & LH, every 3,5 days. The ten amp. would last me 5 weeks...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    1.- "Google it" is not enough, if you don't apply filters and select sources you are more likely to get wrong or outdated information. Yes, you probably can get HCG in Spain: from ilegal steroid sellers, with fake brands and/or drugs of doubtfull origen and quality. I have nothing to do with...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    Thank you for the infomation. Yes, Ovitrelle is recombinant HCG or synthetic hcg, it comes in 0.5 ml single dose pre-filled syringe, equivalent to approximately 6500 IU of HCG. Then, althoug not impossible, it is challenging to dose it for trt, then, that's the question: Would it be ok to...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    Would it be possible to dilute the 0,5 ml ovitrelle into a vial with 2 ml of water for injection, so you have a more manageable concentration for dosing? Anybody experiencing that? I'm afraid it could loose some properties with the interaction with water, cause of ph, osmolarity etc...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    I think I'll go with ovitrelle, but since I had already ordered HMG from the pharmacy, I got it yesterday and decided to first give it a try and see the results, I took the first dose yesterday... I'll keep you updated, today I already see some effect... By the way, my wife is general...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    Tommy, do you pin ovitrelle every 3 days or less?
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    It sounds good, but I am still concerned that it here comes as ampuoles, not vials, with the 75 IU each FSH & LH, and the manufacturer says: "Each ampoule is for single use and the injection should be administered immediately after reconstitution". I am afraid it could be because it loose its...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    0,3 ml syringe helps to keep better control on that tinny amount of liquid... Here in Spain Ovitrell cost 50.63 €, but considering that it can be extended up to three months, it is still no expensive...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    What if buy 0.3 ml insulin syringes and pre-fill the three (or two) bars in each one from the first day, then there is only one time of manipulation, less risk of contamination and you are ready to go immediately for every dose? You can get insulin syringes with incrustrated needle, with no dead...
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    Unable to get HCG... Is HMG an option to prevent testicular atrophy?

    I am happy to know that I don't need to leave my testes behind while on TRT... Now I see I have two options here in europe to face the lack of HCG. Now I am figuring out which one I will take since both are tricky procedures for dosing and administration. (and one is more expensive than the...
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