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I think Cataceous made a pretty strong argument supporting the concept that the norm of starting us all at 100mg per week is excessive . . . and then when it doesn't work well most are inclined to take more instead of less. I'm still very new to all of this, but I'm drawn to the "less is more"...

That's good to hear; we've had our home made Delatestryl enanthate for so long that I guess users become resistant to change. Have you been using the Hikma a long time? Are you "content" with it?

Wow, pricey, glad the T is covered here in Canada.

Is there a subQ test e or is it just T enanthate by Hikma? I inject mine intra muscular. My Canadian pharmacist still doesn't know anything about a new replacement.

Well . . . it was entertaining. Now where's Gunner?

This was a pretty relevant discussion started by a guy who's discouraged over his TRT use. Don't mean to be a party pooper, but you guys have hijacked this thread with all this nonsense cervix talk . . .

Cataceous, thanks for the excellent follow-up, I have now copied and pasted that response to my permanent TRT file. Very helpful. My apologies; in rereading your original post just now, I noticed that "anecdotal evidence" is high lighted, but I didn't know to click on it, which would have...

OK . . . got it. Not. First, my gratitude to Cataceous for attempting to explain something to the intellectually challenged. Clearly over my head; some of you guys must be serious students (or masters) of science. Some parts can still be understood by the layperson. "TRT suppresses the...

Thanks Gman, I'll wait a while and then contact Cataceous directly if need be.

Hey Gman, that's interesting. I know I need testing. But IF it was as a result of the HPTA shutting down, then is it a temporary issue? How would one counter that effect?

I took Viagra for several years before starting TRT just a month and a half ago. As long as I didn't take too much (75 mg was too much - felt like a log, but 50 was right so I broke a 100 in half) then I never had sensitivity issues, and could sometimes orgasm two or even three times that day...

When you use gels, success is dependent on absorption, and absorption will always be a huge question mark. When you inject the T is delivered directly to its target, bang, DONE. Except for the irrational fear of needles, I can't imagine why anybody would choose gels over injections. The best...

Hey Gunner, I'm 68 and new to TRT; I started with gels which didn't absorb - I then started TE injections April 6. Some recent bloodwork showed that my Total T had increased from 320 to around 700 (in the trough). I inject 40mgs every 4th morning, not a big dose. I write to you because I...

It's a good point Granger, I did in fact give them the Hikma info. Yes, I suppose it's quite possible that the pharms have so many changes in supply that it's difficult to keep track of things. But then I've never been too sympathetic to anybody who doesn't know what's happening in their field...

Yes Madman, your suggestion is where I was headed if my pharmacy didn't work out. I've got a nice supply now, so things should sort themselves out by the time I run dry . . .

Well I got my endo to allow an advanced pickup on some Delatestryl; my pharmacist made it sound like I got the last one in Ontario . . . and doesn't know anything about the Hikma replacement. Another pharmacist (Costco) told me yesterday that he thinks they have some "in storage". He out and...

Granger, I'd like that to be the case, after all I figure the makers of Delatestryl know how to make it after almost 7 decades of doing so. What makes you think it's just a name change vs being made by a different company (Hikma)?

Hey Madman, I know you gave us the heads up on this, thanks again . . . I was more flabbergasted that neither the pharmacist or the endo knew of it. It's a fairly major chain, you think they'd have some of the new stuff in stock if it were available. Having the catalogue shots and reference...

As most of us know, our beloved Delatestryl has its days numbered. I think production stopped, after 68 years, in April. I started T very recently and I'm due to run out of my first bottle on June 8, and had hoped the pharmacist would save me a bottle. I contacted him today telling him the...

I would not lead you astray, that's a promise! Most certainly not! I have great confidence in your words first and then those of a select few others on the forum. I was checking for a Dynacare in my hometown and discovered, to my shock, that a new one has located in an office building about a...

Yet another option that I'll keep tucked away, thanks!

If you are hitting a robust trough TT 700s 4 days (96 hrs) post-injection then your peak TT would be much higher! It is hard to believe that I got such a strong response from only 70mgs per week. I have always, however, been quite sensitive to any drugs that I took, so this seems consistent...

Hello Madman and Systemlord; thank you both very much for your timely input - I suspected as much but needed to hear it yet again. Madman had kindly sent a link to private blood testing that's available in Ontario through Dynacare. I intend to continue the TRT another couple of months and then...

I'm 68 and started TRT on the gel therapy on Dec 20/23. I was on that for 3.5 months before it was finally determined that it wasn't working right. I then went on TE injections on April 6, taking a rate of 10 mgs per day, injecting 40 mgs every 4th day (equivalent to 70mgs per week). Only...

Wow Gman, that is some post, I can see that you truly must have become obsessed with this topic since the age of 13 . . . your research is very detailed. Nobody is willingly going to go from a diet that makes them feel optimal, to a diet that makes them feel less optimal, unless the happiness...

Hello Gman, I hope you are well. Very often being goal oriented means that you have to picture yourself in the future in a certain place, and if it's a desirable place, to then work backwards to find out what steps are necessary today and in the coming period to expedite your arrival at the...

I'm 68, started 70mg TE one month ago to combat what I think is premature fatigue when active. I don't know much about T at all. But that doesn't mean I don't know about life - I do. I had cancer and open heart surgery; I often wonder how or where I got it from. It's difficult to categorize...

Good to hear that you're satisfied with your Hikma TE. Good luck getting your TRT dialed in, I can appreciate how complex it is for a young man who wants T and to still remain fertile.

Madman, you are a wealth of information and I thank you for that. It's pleasant to know that the option of enanthate is still open in generic form. BUT . . . what if, for example, there were a problem in sourcing the raw materials such that Hikma suffered the same fate as Bausch? Would Health...

Gman, are you happy with the Hikma TE? I think this is going to become a big question now that Delatestryl's days are numbered . . .

FunkOdyssey, I was just reading older posts about Hikma E and saw that both you and GMAN86 were big users of that product. I'm pleased to see that you think highly of the Hikma E, since that will likely become my default. In searching the internet, I was alarmed at some of the negative...