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If you had strong libido at your natural T levels, why are you taking Natesto? Is the modest gym bump worth losing your natural libido? Many of us jump onto TRT train in hope of regaining lost libido. But unfortunately, TRT is no miracle cure for that

Unfortunately I've been experiencing the same recently despite having lowered the dose weeks ago. It seems like reduced dose definitely helps minimize the worst of it, but something else it going on. I've been investigating the role of histamine in early AM awakenings.

So dropping to from 10mg to 8.5mg daily got rid of your early morning wakeups, moodiness, etc.? I ask because I've found that even 1mg more or less can make subjective difference on daily basis.

I tried doing the same with T cream. It was a major fail as it shut down my natural T (unlike nasal gel/cream which is more short-lived with minimal suppression as mentioned above)

You made your point known in the other thread. The TRT industry is a business like any other. Educate yourself, experiment, analyze and then move on if its not for you.

I agree with you on many points having the learned the hard way over the last several years that TRT is not the panacea promised by the low T marketing machine. I frequently question why I do TRT considering the time and money involved. The biggest disappointment for has been zero...

Thanks for the write-up. Sounds like you are doing well. Always good to hear the success stories. Why not include delts for shallow IM? Quads can be tricky as I'm sure you know by now. On the water retention following injection, have you considered more frequent injections? Smaller...

Interesting you say that because I've had couple drops of blood in when experimenting with 5/16 in delts the last several days, making me wonder how much T was lost. I am nearing conclusion that the 1/2" needles are definitely the way to go for shallow IM. Oh well, that is what experimenting...

Usually around here people reference the gross amount of T including the ester (100mg weekly in your case). However, it is good to know the actual amount of T net of ester (70mg weekly / 10mg daily in your case) when comparing your dose to what a healthy young male produces naturally on a...

Same here. Not much subq tissue to pinch. When flexing deltoid, it feels like thin layer of skin over the muscle so it does seem possible hit the IM. As you say, worst case is subq injection instead of IM. I will keep experimenting for couple of weeks with the 5/16 into delt and report back...

My intention is not to rehash the endless IM versus Subq debate around here. I am merely curious whether a shorter 5/16" needle can be used in deltoid for shallow IM. Most including myself would typically use a minimum of 1/2" for shallow IM. However, I find that 1/2" occasional gives a...

Many of us have had similar problems. In my experience, I often get immediate relief on the early morning wakeups by lowering the dose. It sucks, but it is a balancing act. T versus sleep.

That's good news as I recall you trying bunch of different protocols. What's your TT on that dose?

This thread has effectively cured me of any desire to try PT141!