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I do. 2x a week, 250 - 500 iu's. I really like 500 iu's better, but since I can't get Defy to give me a straight answer regarding HCG right now, I'm trying to stretch my current stock.

more like 2 to 3 times a week, down to maybe once a month at most. First high E symptom I get is hot flashes.

A direct update from you guys concerning HCG would be greatly appreciated. I know it's a bit off topic here, but there's tons of rumors and misinformation floating around.

I *think* the way my NP explained it to me was that the nandrolone bound to SHBG and androgen receptors more readily than testosterone, thereby "raising" free testosterone and total test simply because less of the test was binding at any given point. I do not believe that nandrolone shows up as...

I'd have to dig up my exact numbers, but basically on daily injections of 20mg of test enanthate (140 a week), I was at total t of ~820 and free t was around 19. I had to take anastrozole 2x a week to keep my estrogen in the low 30's, which is consistently the highest I can get it without side...

there's literally no scientific evidence of this. Absolutely none.

I'd go with "honesty is the best policy" and find a provider that's willing to work with you and listen to what you've done and help you from there. If you're really worried about what they're going to say or how they'll react however, just wait two weeks after your last dose before going to...

do you have a prescription from a GP? I'm not sure how ordering through ReliableRx would work, since my prescription is through Defy and I've always gotten HCG through Empower up to this point.

there's not enough studies done at this point to call it a scientific fact (or to deny it, for that matter). Unfortunately, there's a significant stigma of nandrolone being a "bodybuilder steroid drug", and in a world where drugs and surgeries make doctors, insurance, and hospitals the most...

I didn't see that you ever got a direct answer to your question. Without getting into the whole hormone axis, if you think of hormones as keys and hormone receptors as locks, you can think of HCG as a "master key" that opens up several locks. When you take testosterone, your body sees how much...

For me, it's not about mg vs mg, it's about how I feel overall, but my goal is TRT, not designing a cycle. Nandrolone + testosterone enanthate lets me keep my total testosterone in a slightly elevated range for my age group while controlling my estrogen, with little to no AI. Nandrolone also...

I was looking for anything, really. I've never struggled with gyno, but if my estradiol gets above my SHBG, I show other classic symptoms.... hot flashes, moodiness, elevated blood pressure, etc. Thank you for the article!

@Nelson Vergel yesterday evening I found a post where you mentioned high IGF could cause a conflict with estradiol even if it was "in range" or .4% total T, but now I can't find that. Can you point me to any other information regarding IGF and estradiol? I'm one of those guys that gets symptoms...

you mean, "grapefruit seed extract did nothing for ME", right? ;-)

I guess I should have asked Defy to refill me with as much as possible then, huh? Damn.

@Dr Justin Saya MD can you comment regarding HCG through Defy?

Where are you "seeing" this?

but... if you're doing 10iu of test and 8 iu of nandrolone... wouldn't you just fill up to 10 with the test and then start drawing the nandrolone and stop at 18? Or have I been simplifying it too much?

Same here. Are you putting everything in the same shot, or one shot with nandrolone/test and a second with HCG? I've been doing the HCG separately but I'm wondering if there's any issues with mixing one big cocktail.

Unfortunately, there's no clear answer to your question. Men with lower SHBG may get benefits more from smaller, more frequent T doses (I do), but it doesn't appear that testosterone dosage or frequency directly affects SHBG levels. Now, if you're one of the guys that over aromatize T to E, the...

yeah, I think I was replying the same time you were. Once mine posted, yours appeared. Sorry for the confusion! I'll be watching for the petition... this is ridiculous that they're letting this slip through the crack. In the meantime, Nelson, what's your opinion on the minimum effective dosage...

Just ordered two more vials of HCG through Defy/Empower, no issues. I think this whole thing comes from a scare a few months back about a proposed ban of off-label use for drugs... since the "pandemic" it seems the FDA, CDC, and everyone else has better things to worry about. edit: just read...

I'm surprised no one has mentioned SHBG yet! Have you been having that tested as well? I'm just curious how that would correlate to your dosage and test/E2 levels, if at all.

Never thought about it before, but looking back... yes, my sleep definitely improved. However, part of the reason my sleep was poor before was due to my hands/fingers going numb in the middle of the night and waking me up when my elbows are bent. Doc diagnosed me with carpal tunnel and cubital...

dude, you've jacked with your protocol dozens of times since joining this board. I can't even remember all the stuff you said you did under your previous screen name, but I do remember that you never left anything alone long enough to see if you ever developed a protocol that would work for you...

At 42 years of age, I'm still learning to say "congratulations!" instead of "oooooh.... sorry, man!" where I hear someone is pregnant! Congrats!

There was a time when the notion of a round earth was laughed at, also. The atom was considered the smallest particle for most of our lifetimes. Things change. I'd laugh right at a doctor's face if he tried to put me on a statin at that level. There's more and more research showing the current...

I couldn't agree more. The ultimate goal should be to feel as best as you can with the least amount of drugs. OP could very likely achieve that goal, and save money, by increased dosing frequency of the test and lowering the AI by half or more. Adding more test to raise estrogen when you're...

When compared to your free t and total t, your estrogen is lower than normal for most men, but if libido is fine even with everything you're dealing with, I would not expect that to be an issue. I would try whichever OTC analgesic works best for you to help with the aches and pains, hydrate...

and how long have you now been off the oxy? It's honestly going to be nearly impossible to tell you definitively, but give us some more details about how you're feeling other than the high libido, "like garbage", etc. I had a multi-year run on hydrocodone myself, so I'm fully aware of how much...

well, there's really not much of a trough reading when you're doing daily shots, ya know? Best you can do is ~23-24 hours post shot. And no, I'm not high SHBG. I run in the mid 20's typically. I don't notice side effects unless it's with elevated estrogen.