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I've been following your posts on cream. I did try cream-only and just got too amped up on it similar to what some others have experienced. Not sure if that is the DHT increase. One protocol that has some promise is injectable base with cream for daily variation. I had some success but went...

Any updates on your selegiline use for dopamine boost?

You're only injecting twice per week so stick with shallow IM if you feel better on it. As you said, rotate sites and you will be fine. Subq shines when injecting small amounts daily for more steady protocol

No difference that I know of. My vials say the same thing. Sounds like you're doing well after the switch. I really like these 31 gauge x 5/16 syringes for daily subq: https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/daily-subqers-5-stars-for-bd-ultra-fine-insulin-syringe-31g-3-10cc-5-16.24643/...

And why would humans be deficient in B12 in the modern age? I can understand the cause of vitamin D deficiency because we are outside less, but less so with B12

In my case, apnea appeared to be driven by water weight. I had gained nearly 15lbs on my initial Cypionate protocol, most of it fluid. I started experiencing apnea for the first time in my life. The apnea soon disappeared after I reduced dose and switched esters to Propionate (and later...

I know you use cream-only, but this Topiclick Microdose would be great for people looking to top off an injectable base with small amount of cream for variability, DHT boost etc. Well done in the true spirit of Excelmale experimentation!

Sorry for being dense, but you remove the plunger from the Luer Lock and then backfill it with Topiclick?

Very cool. How did you get the Empower cream into the Luer Lock syringe? You just manually dialed the Topiclick dispenser? Didn't that take forever?

Yes that and its easy to underestimate the time it will take for follow-ups - wait for blood test order, get off your ass to get the blood test, wait for results, schedule defy appointment, wait for script, etc. Its just a long process made worse by procrastination!

Positive experience with Defy. They are very open to different protocols. One piece of advice is to stay on top of your refills so you get process moving early since it take awhile

Did you sleep any better on the lower dose?

Blend my own per thread below. Easy to do with sterile vials once you get hang of it. Last me for at least 2 months, but I am dosing small amounts daily. Tougher part is making sure you have Enan and Prop on hand (mine from Defy)...

I don't know the data, but subjectively I could always feel marked difference in timing and intensity of peak with IM versus subq when on propionate-only protocol. Like a double expresso

My sleep really suffers when T levels get too high. Its the main reason I stay at lower levels of 8mg daily subq with Enan:Prop blend

Many thanks for taking the time to test these two. Very interesting. Which one did you prefer?

Great note Tex. How has your lifting routines changed as you've gotten older? Do you still practice CAT?

Because food and water is needed to survive. We are not talking about life saving medicine here

I am admittedly insecure about having to rely on TRT or any medication. It just bugs me. It is an interesting theoretical question of what would happen to testosterone levels in men if civilization was thrown back into survival mode.

LOL when/if the SHTF, the last thing we will be worried about is TRT...

For the latest test, how many days were you on on the 5mg protocol? I bet your E2 was low too 7-8mg looks like possible sweet spot for you. But you need to give it a chance for 6-8 weeks. Resist the urge to tinker :-) Either that or maybe 5mg as base and then add touch of cream for daily...

These endless debates about subq versus IM baffle me. Try both protocols and see which one you like better. It's that simple.

Best of luck and keep us posted on how its going. Quite a few guys around here respond better to daily injections, but its really just a matter of experimenting with what works best for you.

Also keep in mind that your body is shutting down its natural T production after the first couple of weeks. At that point you are no longer supplementing, but rather replacing your endogenous T. As has been said here before, enjoy then forget your TRT honeymoon because it's a one-time thing...

FYI, here is the full article from the MPMD guy. https://moreplatesmoredates.com/how-many-milligrams-of-testosterone-do-men-naturally-produce/ This should be required reading for new TRT patients! I wish someone had explained to me early on that 10mg Cyp/Enan daily = natural production for...

Thanks for bringing up Selegiline. A number of guys have commented on positive libido experiences with it. I am still intrigued and may try it some day with Defy https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/using-protocol-change-to-spike-dopamine.25879/page-2#post-231294

Appreciate this information on zinc. I used zinc fair amount pre-TRT but not so much now. Do you need to take zinc daily to get that result? Or every couple of days?

Do you only get that feeling when you increased cream dose? If there is a stacking effect of T on cream, I suppose it levels off at some point.

When combining cream with injections on daily basis, has anyone noticed a stacking effect with the cream where the T levels start to creep higher and higher over time? When adding cream, I always seem to feel good the first two days, but then get that anxious feeling of too much T by day 3...

I don't usually pre-load, but like the idea. What is your daily dose these days and TT/FT?

You seem like good candidate for TRT. Keep it simple. Start with dose of 100mg or less. The vast majority of side effects around here are caused by doses being too high. Average healthy male "only" produces 7mg of T per day (equivalent to 10mg cypionate with the ester). If you push your...