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And by the way I’ve been at this for about 15 years so I think I know a thing or two about testosterone and it’s derivatives.

Then explain to me why the majority of men on these forums and at my local gyms that have tried subq all went back to intramuscular injections. And don’t give me that crap about not using the most accurate blood testing methods. It’s inferior. Period!

That’s how he operators. He thinks he’s the God of trt or something. Give me a break. How he became a super moderator is beyond me. . You did a great job. Subq does not work for everyone. PERIOD!

Just one more example that proves subq is inferior to intramuscular injections.

I have the same issue on higher doses. My theory is it has something to do with overstimulation of some neurotransmitters. Way too amped up. I get the same way if I drink too much caffeine also. Lower your dose. A LOT! And I wouldn’t change to test prop either. Stick with cyp or enanthate.

Yeah, I came off a little harsh and I do apologize for that. Trust me I wish it did work for me. I tried the stomach fat the first time around and the most recent I tried the fat pad on my glutes where I used to do my deep IM shots. Years of poking holes in my muscles even if it is a 1/2 inch...

And yes I used the same lab. Quest.

I was injecting 30 mgs eod shallow IM ventro glute, quads and shoulders. Had been on this regimen for around 4 years. My total t was always around 750. I decided to try subq in the abdominal fat. Same dose and frequency. After 5 weeks my total t dropped to 350. I just tried it again every 3 1/2...

Ok then tell me why every time I’ve tried it my t levels plummet and my estradiol and psa levels go up?

Subq doesn’t work. It’s a piss poor delivery method for injecting an oil based testosterone.