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Wow that is a serious and humbling story. I’m glad it seems to be working out for you. And if it’s helpful that you can try oxandrolone too at some point. Whether to add it to nandrolone or be able to rotate it in lieu of nandrolone from time to time. Depending on where you live if you can...

Yup. I don’t even look for them but am on some emailing lists. All you do is send current lab in and get whatever you want. I’m older and don’t care about getting “huge” or “ripped” ha. I’m alresdy a big dude. But for those on these forums who start TRT then all sudden want more and are...

The doctor doesn’t want to be associated with the Florida clinics that hand out Deca and Var. Or clinics that will give higher doses of T than most. That’s all. Clearly it’s a HRT clinic but it my post I was saying there are plenty of pay to play places you can basically do cycles if you...

I’m shocked anyone in Pittsburgh prescribed you Deca in first place or even TRT. doctors and medical care in general in Pitt with most primary care doctors is primitive. If you need Deca or NPP or var, just start calling Florida TRT clinics. It’s simple pay to play. They’ll give you any of that...

I’m not trying to talk anyone into or out of anything. Just saying to do your research.

Good for you. Hasn’t been that way for everyone. Threads on every TRT or steroid forum on the web and lots of intelligent people with possible reasons why that aren’t easy for me to recall. Just because you’ve done ok on it proves very little for entire population.

I’d be careful to dive into nandrolone with TRT as tempting as it might sound. Guys end up with libido issues that can be long term even at low doses. And the legitimacy of whether it really helps joints or not seems up for debate.

Florida “TRT clinics” offer it and anavar, no clue how they justify it

Well I tanked them for nearly 4 years I think with that monster dose AI all due to an error with using the wrong E2 lab and then subsequent labs making it seem like I was in the perfect range, only to finally learn about the ultra sensitive E2 and discover for years I was super low. And at...

I was just being hopeful as some Threads made it seem like getting morning wood was “it” ..... No gut issues what so ever.

Oh god no!! Sorry I didn’t realize I didn’t put changes in this thread as I had one on another forum. I did a long period (maybe 3 months ?) of lowering T to 150mg week and no AI and continued HCG. Felt no changes in sexual desire or performance or pleasure. Did labs and my E2 has climbed to 39...

Hi, I have done periods of weaning off supplements to see if it has any effect with no change in libido. The only supplements I probably never go off of even when trying to “fast” from them for a few weeks, is fish oil and probiotics. I never heard of them negatively impacting libido...

Hopefully I don't have to micro dose. Most likely I was on a good dose at .5 3 x week until I got the false "high" reading of 59 with standard E2 test, doubled my Arimidex and for four years just trashed my estrogen.

Can't type up all lab results as I'm heading out door and just got them. BUT there was significant difference in regular E2 test and the ultra sensitive test. Exact same blood draw FYI Regular E2 test = 25 Ultra sensitive = 14 Hence all these years using regular E2 it seems I over dosed...

By my ignorance I meant the last 4 years having many symptoms of low E2 yet having no clue those were symptoms of E2, and no Idea there were different E2 tests that could give inaccurate results. I trusted my doctors. I'm not tap dancing - I'm getting the sensitive E2 test done tomorrow...

It's $50 (unless there is a deal I'm unaware of) and that's a chunk of change. $30 maybe I would just go do it but I'm doing my blood draw tomorrow for the extensive labs so may have results by next week. I'll save the $50 for when I may need to go check it in a few months after adjusting my...

Thanks Orrin. Since this lab should be covered by insurance and I wanted to see all my thyroid and some other numbers I'll do it this time. Depending on the cost of discounted labs to the 20% I'd have to pay with my insurance I may do it especially if I end up adjusting my adex dose.

I have a clarification after being on phone with a variety of Quest labs people...the male panel on the lab sheet is my doctors specific custom request for his forms. Quest wouldn't tell me if it's standard E2 or ultra sensitive, so I'll have to ask him today. I have a few different doctors...

Sh&t really? Damn my old PPO I did labs anytime I felt like it and whatever I wanted or the doc wanted and never got a bill. Ever. Now a different providers PPO entirely different.

Found this interesting thread that has Vince in it form this thread. https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?1178-Why-All-Men-Should-be-Tested-with-the-Sensitive-Estradiol-Test Scary if you take wrong E2 labs and come out high, you could end up on AI you don't need or too high an AI dose.

I tried searching quest labs web site to see what E2 test is used with the male panel with no luck. At least now I know exactly what to tell the doctor and will watch him mark the damn sheet. Bummer as my previous insurance covered labs 100% no co pay, had I known correct E2 labs I would have...

Sh%t that's frustrating your labs could come out that out of the ordinary...how the hell can labs be so inconsistent... I called my new insurance they said I could use either but I will call again in morning to clarify as I don't want to get jammed with big bill. As this time I want to test as...

I did start with no AI but my E2 went up. As for labs I think what my doc does is as my insurance plans change over years he uses the company he seems to think the insurance plan would cover. But from now on I want to stick with Quest as I've used them primarily over the years and I'm...

Been there done that long time ago. Not depression at all. Moods and feelings are good to go other than lack of pleasure with sex and lifting.

Other than libido and lack of sexual pleasure and barely even feeling orgasms just for past two years....TRT is and has been a life saver over 8-9 years whenever it is I started. My energy, cognitive function, mood, bodyfat, fitness and strength levels are all awesome. I haven't got dunk tank...

True. Not having a strong libido for a few years is frustrating. Any other suggestions on what to do labs wise or speak to doctors about I'm all ears. Will try to get Quest labs done this week and see where the ol E2 comes in at this time.

Thanks Joe. That certainly is something to look into if the pain killer reduces effectiveness of AI. I'll need to ask to review my records....i can't recall the timing of when I had to bump up My AI dose. I think I only did .5mg 3x week for a number of years and then got a high E2 readings so...

Thanks JDS. hilarious comment about mom's voice hah. And the dopamine desensitization I read on posts by Dr Romeo Mariano. do a quick search on "dopamine desensitization" and "Dr. Mariano" and some of the forum threads should pop up. Hopefully new Quest labs will let me see where my E2...

Thanks guys. I was not thinking E2 was the sole issue with my libido. I was more leaning towards it being dopamine related UNTIL this Labcorp test that freaked me out. As for it being a "massive dose" of adex, I've been on that dose of adex for years and my E2 regularly being in the range of...

https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?11564-Libido-good-pre-post-TRT-Years-later-crashes&p=79428 There is orher thread that has Details about my situation. If further info is needed just ask. I appreciate any help. I want to get labs done again next week with Quest as that's who...

Tomorrow I will explain in more detail as I have a post on this forum in another section covering many of your questions. So is the Labcorp Roche accurate? That's my big question, seems impossible it would be less than 6 and not even register. Especially if a few months ago on a lab with...