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The Androgel was never steady. It was always already 700's. Once I hit a peak of 838 and a low of mid 600's. From what I read about Androgel, it's never a steady level. I would always test around 7:30-8:00AM. I couldn't really play with the dose on Androgel since I was already on 4 pumps...

Would test prop be optimal in a situation like this? Or more shots of test c or e (but the total still remains the same for the week be better? i switch up between Androgel and injections all the time and even though I achieve a higher number on injections, I actually feel better on Androgel. I...

Same here. I've been dealing with joint pain for over 13 years now and the T therapy I started back in 2013 really helped my out with my pain........and the depression and chronic pain syndrome associated with it.

That was the one thing with injections.....the numbers were always steady. With Androgel, I've gone from 838 to 698 all on the same 4 pumps and testing at the same time, same facility, on different days. My free has gone from 16.1 all the way to 24 on the same 4 pumps. I once read that the...

I do my shoulders.

And when I say lower on everyday shots, my E2 went from 27 to 22 and my testosterone went from 838 to 790. Both were very negligible and I didn't even feel a difference. If it weren't for the lab results, I wouldn't have known a thing.

Hi, I do both, first thing in the morning. I have a routine. I get up, shower and apply the Androgel. Then I inject the HCG and go about my day. I forgot to mention, my E2 is lower on the 150 a day, just like my testosterone was lower but that is because I took a lower dose of HCG. Like I said...

He said in the book that daily injections and daily applications of transdermal T was the best approach.........that's what he said. I've gone from 350iu's on M-W-F to 150iu's daily and I didn't feel a difference. Now, my labs showed a higher testosterone because I had them done on the day I...

In his book, he said that it's 100iu's a day........starting. I'm at 150iu's a day and have been for over a year now.

I guess I need to just diet down instead of increasing dosage.

Thanks, I learned something new. So do you have more free testosterone with less E2?

I don't think you'd have more T, you'd just have less conversation to E2

I think that's what's going on with me. When I was on 4 pumps of Androgel, I was around high 400's to low 500's, etc. I added in daily HCG and it put me around high 600's to low 700's

I'm using one of those bodyfat analyzers you hold in your hand and it tells you your body fat percentage. It might not be that accurate.