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More than likely it’s not a dip in t (at least in the blood ) you respond pretty well to the cream. I don’t respond as well and I don’t have the energy dips. Like today I put more on in the morning and skipped my evening dose and still feel the same

Have you ever pulled labs at that time ?

that was test e

Why would I have such wild swings in my levels then ? I’ve tested it multiple times so it’s not a one off. I drop from 800-900 to 450-500 in 18 hours

What’s crazy is how fast my levels drop. When I was in 3x a week injections. 90mg total. 8hours after a 30 mg injection my levels were in the 800s. 26 hours later 500. And I tested this multiple times.

I did notice that my levels were higher on cyp than enanthate. But it wasn’t the higher levels causing issues because I’ve had high levels on cream with no issues.

I can’t explain why either but I tested it multiple times. In the beginning of my trt journey I felt so bad taking it. I would keep going on and off of cyp. And would just feel awful. Then 4 years ago I said screw it one last try but I’ll try enanthate and it was a much better experience. But...

I’m not sure your last sentence is true. I’ve done both currently on cream and my rbc counts are higher on cream. Granted my levels are probably higher more consistently on the cream. But I’m sure if I did daily injections with same t levels my blood values would be similar.

I’ve been on both with different carrier oils and preservatives. Also had them with the same carrier oil and preservative . Same outcome felt awful on cyp. Same issues as you. Bp issues. Anxiety and major fatigue.

100% agree. Just like to see what other people get away with.

What’s your protocol?

My anxiety is much better as I’ve gotten older. My erections and libido are still great on cream. But the depression and weird pressure in my head that went away when I switched to cream is now back. I’ve been on cream for 9-10 months. So not sure what’s going on waiting for labs to come back to...

Is it a big difference for you cream vs injections ? It was for me but lately I feel like I’m back on injections. Not sure why waiting on labs

Most people have those issues with low t and that’s why they started trt. Trt hasn’t been a panacea for me. But it’s helped tremendously with recovery and performance at sports. And my sex drive libido and erections. That all took a hit when my t levels tanked

Quick google search shows some of the compounds your taking can raise progesterone!!!

Well what is your full protocol ?

Is it causing any perceived issues ?

Are you using Prog ?

Absolutely. Mood and sleep are the last hurdle in my journey to feeling great. I have no trouble falling asleep and I do not even wake much but my deep sleep is always very low. And I never feel rested. i think trt has also added to my depression. In a different way. Brings out more of the...

old Thread. I read the question wrong lol back when I was doing injections I was only doing around 90mg per week. Now I’m on cream using 5 clicks per day. I feel better in every way on cream except mentally I’m getting worse. Thinking about revisiting Prog. is Anyone still using Prog with success ?

@electrify glad to see your doing well brother. I remember the rough ride you had!!!

that might just be it. Because he deals with so many body building guys. But I don’t think you should ever need an a.I on a proper dose of testosterone. Only. It’s adding other anabolics or things like hcg that can muddy the waters. Imo

I wonder how many actual patients he has or is he another YouTube “guru” that barely has patients

How many of dr rands patients have you talked too ??

Does that high of a dose have effect on allopregnenolone? I’ve only seen new study’s on how low dose can act on allo-p without acting as Ssri

I do remember that Dr crisler wasn’t concerned with testing dht way back in the day either. A bunch of drs are saying the same stuff nichols and Neil have talked about. With dht being a paracrine hormone and it’s just spill over in the blood. I personally have sky high dht on cream and zero...

Why is that ?

Yeah for guys on trt. But if you’re not on trt that’s a different story. Since Anavar suppresses t !! But I assume op is on trt. Lol.

I also never experienced honeymoon till I tried cream. I still do not feel like a god or anything though. My honeymoon just consisted of crazy amount of erections and libido for a few weeks. And it leveled out but it’s still really good. Before trt I could have sex once twice a week max. Then on...

I’ve heard it too. But if your levels are the same as they were when you started it probably isn’t anything to do do with trt. Sure if your levels dip batch to batch or if your absorption some how changed I get it. But if you felt good at say 1000tt and 30ft and all the sudden you aren’t...

All good man. I been on cream since December. While cream is annoying compared to injecting. I haven’t had any transference issues. We get busy sometimes 15 minutes after I apply. No issues. I know a bunch of guys that been on cream for years doing good. I def had a crazy honeymoon period with...