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I used armour for 3 months plus. But wasn’t getting any symptom resolution. And the more I pushed the dose up the more side effects I started getting. One being excruciating Headaches. i Tried a few times too so it wasn’t a one off. I used protocols that you and dr Neil promote to no avail. I...

I have to agree with you on that also. I chased that cortisol dragon for far too long. And it held me back from getting better. I’m in a decent place now. Just the damn cold intolerance

I agree with you 100%. The problem is the forums and YouTube “gurus” and pop up trt clinics are selling a lot of men pipe dreams. I’ve taken all forms of thyroid. And pushed my numbers up as far as I could tolerate. Just never felt right on it. Honestly my only real complaint health wise now is...

What happens when you’ve tried to optimize thyroid and only leaves you feeling worse ?

I understand what you’re saying. But you based off your postings and our conversations I think you’re still changing things way too fast. I’m telling you from personal experience it took me a few months to adjust to cream. And now that it works well for me I can play with the dosage and it...

Well for me personally the last 3 years on trt I tried to stay some what conservative with my numbers. my assumption is switching to cream keeps me closer to where I need to be more of the time. Where injections give me too high peaks and lower valleys.

I think most guys like @Fortunate just do not give things time to level out when the switch to cream. I know I was one of them. I had a rough start with it. But I also made it a lot worse from all the overthinking and constantly messing with the dose. I also think guys pay way too much attention...

@sh1973 has always been the same way. The more frequent injections he tries. The worse he felt.

Great work man !! Makes me feel so much better about my low preg levels. Ive noticed mine keep getting lower as time goes on. And seems they really tanked on cream. every time I try preg I get Side effects. Even as low as 5mg per day

I really wonder why back a few years ago. Test cyp “seemed“ to lower my cortisol as far as blood and Saliva tests were concerned. And man did I feel it. Once I got off my cortisol levels went back up. enanthate and cream have no effects on my cortisol levels.

And I’ve noticed no difference in hair shedding at all with dht in the 250s.

My dht is through the roof and I feel way better on cream !!

Try getting pregnenolone tested. Took 14 days to come back i didn’t mean mental in how you feel. Like if you feel good on cream, you get over the hassle of applying it.

I really don’t see how the cream would affect your erections negatively if your levels are the same as on injections. unless Maybe your e2 is lower in the cells on cream vs injections via the higher dht levels. But that’s all speculation. I know for me cream had a positive effect on my...

It’s another mental block. The cream got annoying for me too but once I realized I just feel better on it, it’s no longer bothering me to deal with again. And seriously what’s the point of continuously checking your t levels. ? If you feel good on a protocol stop worrying about the labs. Every...

Same exact reason i Couldn’t go back to injections. My erections and libido much better and I lose my mind if I lose that even for a day lol.

Is it possible that those levels (on cream) are just a tad bit high ? Leading to erection issues ?

What are you levels on th lower dose. I think calling doses “high” or “low” is kind of what muddys the waters. Most would call 5 clicks of atrevis base cream a super high dose. But my peak is only 800. That’s what held me back so long from feeling well. I was more focused on the dose then my...

It Seems very common in most of my bloodline. So I’m not really sure.

I often wondered that too. An old member I used to speak to on a regular basis lived by that same theory. That’s why blood testing for hormones is very tricky. We have no idea what’s actually going on in the cells.

Not for me on paper. My preg levels are bottomed out on cream. they weren’t on injections. And my testicle atrophy is the same on cream vs injections

What’s the longest you’ve been on cream ?

Me personally, had anxiety and obsessive thoughts Long before having low t. I also had my anxiety under control before low t. And didn’t have much of an issue when t was low either. Now the overthinking has been stuck with me since childhood.

Most people that have issues with trt are over thinkers. That seems to be the bottom line. And typically the types you see on these forums. almost all the people I know personally on trt. Never joined a forum or care to for that matter. They just got it prescribed by the dr and all is well. For...

most likely it would be from variation in the batch. I know plenty of guys in another group that have been on scrotal cream for 4+ years and no issues. Numbers always close. It seems that medquest pharmacy is the most reliable since they 3rd party batch test. cream for me is simple. I can now...

Have you ever tried cream with daily tadalafil? cream gave me better erections then injection on its own. But with tadalafil they are fantastic.

Yeah. I had these strange headaches since starting trt and quitting ssri 3 years ago. And then when I went on cream (while off caffeine) for 6 months they went away. Or at least got much better. Then I started tinkering with shit an all hell broke loose. That’s another problem with these forums...

Wow man that’s amazing. I take 5 clicks daily of empowers hydrogel (still cream) just to reach 800tt and 20ft 5 hours after my 3 clicks in the am.

Assuming my lingering issues aren’t “trt” related, I’m doing well. but I feel very similar to when I started the cream. i thought my headaches were caused by injections, but could be wrong. But I’ve also been messing with other things, like coming on and off ssris and on and off caffeine

It did not stop working. I just had a return of what I thought were side effects of the injections. mainly headaches and mood issues. But all the other benefits remained. I took one shot and then said to myself “you’re really gonna switch all this shit up again when you feel decent“. And then I...

Yes I’m still on it. It just works best for me. My erections are fantastic on the cream. And daily tadalafil makes it even better. I forget your story but have you ever pulled labs on cream ? If so what did your levels look like?