When does natural production return when stopping TRT?

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mg707

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No, I doubt that my urologist is familiar with that. I do wonder if it is worth it. At least with the injections (80mg/2x/week), I can control my testosterone level.
If your protocol is working for you probably best to stick with it given what you went through. What was it like being that low. I remember when I was at 150 I could barely lift my head up my energy was so crashed.

Only reason I’m considering stopping is having difficulty controlling hematocrit even with lower does (40mg 2x per week) and regular blood donations
 
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D0UG

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What does T = 20 feel like?
Awful. No energy, no sex drive, no erections, lack of focus, every tendon & ligament in my body ached, muscle turned to fat, couldn't sleep more than 2 hours, blood triglycerides tripled, depression, etc. Many days I had all the aches and pains like when you have the flu. Every time a doctor asked me how I felt, I said "awful".

After a lot of research, I found that testosterone suppression is no longer recommended by the Cancer Institute for low-grades of prostate cancer which mine was. Doctors continue to do it because that is what they have been doing the last 40 years.
 

Smokin Joe

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I have posted this several times before about using ashwagandha and cistanche with other supplements to restart trt. I can usually get back to 400 to 450 to in about 4-6 weeks using these herbs.
There is plenty on documentation on the web.
Granted for me nothing feels like exogenous testosterone but I am an off and on guy for trt.
 

D0UG

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I have read a lot of warnings about ashwagandha interfering with many medicines. I take medicine for blood pressure and thyroid and 2 doctors warned me to never take that supplement. I had not taken it but told them I do take some supplements. That is the only one they were concerned about.
 

Smokin Joe

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I do agree.
As with any herbal products check with your doc if you take prescription medications.
Though I'm not on any medications I will try to always research herbs before trying them.
Sometimes there will be contraindications amongst them. Better safe than sorry for sure.
 

readalot

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Hot off the press. Here's an example. Was on TRT for 4 years. Came off. Did 4 weeks of hCG (500 IU twice weekly) then waited another 8 weeks. Total Time off TRT 12 weeks.

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Before I started I was 380-420 ng/dl TT.

Here's a pre-TRT baseline:

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On paper recovery about 75% of TT and LH is back to approximate baseline based on this data point. Note the piss poor fT measurement. Was cheap! :cool:



You know I love spot check examples (from my baseline results):
fT direct = 13.1 pg/ml / = 1.31 ng/dl
Transform fT direct to ED range = 6.67 * 1.31 = 8.7 ng/dl
cfTV =5.4 ng/dl
Tru-T = 10 ng/dl

I'm back in solid cross hair land of 2nd hypogonadism. Hurray!
 
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Fortunate

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Hot off the press. Here's an example. Was on TRT for 4 years. Came off. Did 4 weeks of hCG (500 IU twice weekly) then waited another 8 weeks. Total Time off TRT 12 weeks.

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Before I started I was 380-420 ng/dl TT.

Here's a pre-TRT baseline:

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On paper recovery about 75% of TT and LH is back to approximate baseline based on this data point. Note the piss poor fT measurement. Was cheap! :cool:



You know I love spot check examples (from my baseline results):
fT direct = 13.1 pg/ml / = 1.31 ng/dl
Transform fT direct to ED range = 6.67 * 1.31 = 8.7 ng/dl
cfTV =5.4 ng/dl
Tru-T = 10 ng/dl

I'm back in solid cross hair land of 2nd hypogonadism. Hurray!
But, how do you feel? I imagine not amazing?
 

readalot

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But, how do you feel? I imagine not amazing?
Heart issues (fraction real vs perceived?) and panic/anxiety still there. Cardiologist didn't want to do another Echo until maybe winter. We agreed 6-12 months for heart remodelling is reasonable estimate. All the other issues are still there (autoimmune, depression, joint pain, etc) / is all there just like prior and during TRT. Human condition I guess, enjoy the ride.

Now here's something funny. All during TRT I never had spontaneous wood. Maybe a little prior to TRT. Up until 2 weeks ago felt nothing down below. Now the last two weeks I wake up with massive wood. Actually had to jump out of bed as I freaked out. It was painful. Taking nothing else. What am I 14 again?

So just goes to show the human body is a funny, wonderful creation. 300 ng/dl and sporting massive morning wood. Oh well. Different than what you would think watching Youtube where the message is 30-50 ng/dl fT and you are John Holmes or something.

Whole thing reminds me of old Johnny Cash song:

Well John Henry had a little woman, I believe the lady's name was Polly Ann, yeah that was his good woman, John Henry threw his hammer over his shoulder and went on home, he layed down to rest his weary back and early next morning he said come here Polly Ann come here sugar, ya know I believe this is the first time I ever watched the sun come up that I couldn't come up with it
 

Fortunate

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Heart issues (real or perceived?) and panic/anxiety still there. Cardiologist didn't want to do another Echo until maybe winter. We agreed 6-12 months for heart remodelling is reasonable estimate. All the other issues are still there (autoimmune, depression, joint pain, etc) is all there just like prior and during TRT. Human condition I guess, enjoy the ride.

Now here's something funny. All during TRT I never had spontaneous wood. Maybe a little prior to TRT. Up until 2 weeks ago felt nothing down below. Now the last two weeks I wake up with massive wood. Actually had to jump out of bed as I freaked out. It was painful. On nothing else. What am I 14 again? So just goes to show the human body is a funny, wonderful creation. 300 ng/dl and sporting massive wood. Oh well. Different than what you would think watching Youtube where the message is 30-50 ng/dl and you are John Holmes or something.
That's awesome.

Endocrinology, especially sex hormones, can be weird. Some guys feel best at levels that would make others feel hypogonadal.

I saw you are gonna trial Natesto. My advice: try to stick to it. Too many guys bail cause they don't like the feeling in the nose or something. In full disclosure, I am not on it at the moment, but it treated me well for a number of years.

Would love to hear your thoughts after you give it a go!
 

readalot

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That's awesome.

Endocrinology, especially sex hormones, can be weird. Some guys feel best at levels that would make others feel hypogonadal.

I saw you are gonna trial Natesto. My advice: try to stick to it. Too many guys bail cause they don't like the feeling in the nose or something. In full disclosure, I am not on it at the moment, but it treated me well for a number of years.

Would love to hear your thoughts after you give it a go!
Haha. Everything else busted but a massive wang and everyone says Congrats . Will do I am pretty good at sticking to stuff. Thanks.
 
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