Inverse relationship of TT and Ferritin

[andrewBwinter]

I can confirm that I have gone completely down the rabbit hole on this one.
During my morning coffee make, I thought, "Hey, I wonder what my ferritin was when I wasn't on TRT?" I have been working to raise it and I believe, in simple terms, I have it. Science!

Looking at my labs pre and post I can confirm that my low T related to higher ferritin:
Pre TRT 15-Mar-21:
TT - 383
Ferritin 126
HGB - 177

Start TRT October 14, 2021 (120mg/wk Test-E)

Post - 1-Feb-22
TT - 954
Ferritin 27
HGB - 171

I found this article that supports my coffee theory:

Serum Ferritin Is Inversely Correlated with Testosterone in Boys and Young Male Adolescents: A Cross-Sectional Study in Taiwan

Objective The transition from childhood to teenaged years is associated with increased testosterone and a decreased iron status. It is not clear whether higher testosterone levels cause the decreased iron status, and to what extent, obesity-related inflammation influences the iron-testosterone...

journals.plos.org

But this was a study based on young men. However, buried within was a study related to the 50+ ("elderly") cohort from Bachman et. al. :

Testosterone Induces Erythrocytosis via Increased Erythropoietin and Suppressed Hepcidin: Evidence for a New Erythropoietin/Hemoglobin Set Point

AbstractBackground.. The mechanisms by which testosterone increases hemoglobin and hematocrit remain unclear.Methods.. We assessed the hormonal and hematologic

academic.oup.com

While there probably isn't anything new here to most of the members, it did answer some questions I had about trying to raise ferritin levels. I also have a better understanding of WHY ferritin levels are reduced. The short answer:

To wit - TRT increases red blood cells, red blood cells scavange for iron to transport, ferritin stores iron for those red blood cells, the well (ferritin) runs dry as all of those RBCs take the stored iron.

Now, if we can just determine how Pete Davidson scores the lovely ladies, all will make sense.

--A

 

[BigTex]

I will add this video since it addresses iron intake combine with TRT brought about by this FRAUD Liver King.

 

[tareload]

I will add this video since it addresses iron intake combine with TRT brought about by this FRAUD Liver King.

Ancestral tenets. This guy kills me. Selling liver tabs. Genius. Where's the tren? Should have made that #10.

The Hct elevation and arrythmia is no joke. Thanks.

 

[BigTex]

All of this instagram hero and fitness influencer are new to me. I can't imagine how anyone would have ever believed this guy was drug free. What a scammer.

 

[bixt]

Yeah, the guy is blatantly promoting his fake "natty status" to peddle his snake oil. That, was the magic to get big, he said. Buy this, and you will look like me he said.

Liver King steroid use exposed

www.professionalmuscle.com

 

[Gladiator]

Say no more

 

[Vince]

Say no more View attachment 27106

The diagram is wrong. The barbells are under diet and basket of fruit is under exercise? LoL

 

[tareload]

Say no more View attachment 27106

Needle injection site way too low. Asking for trouble LOL.

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forums.t-nation.com

Test Cyp Injection Pain

Nice 3D visuals: @hankthetank89, please no defiling the test dummy :-).

forums.t-nation.com

 

[BigTex]

Yeah, the guy is blatantly promoting his fake "natty status" to peddle his snake oil. That, was the magic to get big, he said. Buy this, and you will look like me he said.

Liver King steroid use exposed

www.professionalmuscle.com

A fool is born every minute.

 

[andrewBwinter]

The diagram is wrong. The barbells are under diet and basket of fruit is under exercise? LoL

Would the needles be + Supplements?

 

[andrewBwinter]

Say no more View attachment 27106

Uh oh. I feel a debate coming on about Ken's protocol:
IM vs Sub Q
Needle size
Injection frequency
Managing E2
250/wk is not TRT it's a small cycle
etc.

 

[Gladiator]

The diagram is wrong. The barbells are under diet and basket of fruit is under exercise? LoL

Dam you are so picky

 

[Gladiator]

Uh oh. I feel a debate coming on about Ken's protocol:
IM vs Sub Q
Needle size
Injection frequency
Managing E2
250/wk is not TRT it's a small cycle
etc.

This made me laugh. I always thought Barbie was plastic and now I know Ken is fake

 

[FDV70]

The short answer:

To wit - TRT increases red blood cells, red blood cells scavange for iron to transport, ferritin stores iron for those red blood cells, the well (ferritin) runs dry as all of those RBCs take the stored iron.

Now, if we can just determine how Pete Davidson scores the lovely ladies, all will make sense.

--A

How did you fare after you ran my ferritin restoration protocol?

 

[andrewBwinter]

How did you fare after you ran my ferritin restoration protocol?

To be fair I didn't run it because of my love for fruit and vit C is a no no. However, I am still hovering around ferritin at 28 for the past 3 months. I am on a monthly ferritin panel and I get tested every 30 days (end of the month). I'll test the week of the 27th. I am scheduled to donate blood for Canadian Blood Services on December 31, just in time for the a-holes to crack themselves up on New Year's eve and head to the hospital. I'll start the protocol after my ferritin panel comes back on the 28th or so.

 

[andrewBwinter]

@FDV70 So the panel came back at 32 which is an increase from 28 last month and 24 the month before that, shortly after a donation which had me at 20. I took iron supplements after the donation, but not your protocol.

Looking at previous numbers, I usually drop about 12-15 points after a donation so I'll most likely run the protocol this long weekend.

20's seem to be my number regardless of donation, diet or iron supplements. Before TRT and taking 6 months off donations I had a 128.