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Similar experiences here. What is the lowest dose of oxandrolone you’ve tried that has been effective/beneficial?

Per usual, the answer is "it depends". However, with both it is dosage dependent and with cream, timing of the dosage matters, too. When I apply cream in the evening before bed, my wife says that is when I snore the most. For me, twice daily cream seemed to exacerbate snoring more than any...

During the failed protocol you described earlier in this thread (200 T 100 ND), you mentioned you were using ND. Currently you’re using NPP and it seems to be going well. I’m curious how things would have shaken out if you had used 200 Test and 100 NPP, or if you used ND with your current...

Random question, but… Hypothetically, assume an individual injecting 100mg once per week. Supposing that the injection site is the same (VG), would two 50mg injections at the same time (one on each side) be the same as one 100mg injection? Curious if the larger oil depot with the single...

I'd be interested in hearing more about this. Just reading what you wrote above, it looks like 140mg/wk is his low end dose for low SHBG guys. Is that correct? Where can I read more about this? Also @Charliebizz

Nevermind…I think I misread your post. Looks like labs were drawn 5 hours after morning application.

I’d be interested in hearing more details about your timing. If I followed your timing, I’d be applying one click at 6am, then one more click at 11am. When were labs drawn on this schedule? If it was the following morning before application then I guess I wouldn’t be too surprised with those...

Have you (or anyone else) received these from Empower?

You can do a 1/2 click. There are raised bumps on the dial and on the tube that align with each other at each audible click. Just turn the dial until the bump on the dial is in the middle of the bumps on the tube and it gives you approximately a 1/2 click. The next application, turn until it...

I've been on and off of cream several times and have tried various doses and application sites. In the successful protocol I referenced, 1 click scrotum 1 click forearm/inner arm AM, 1 click scrotum PM, specifically the back part of the scrotum as my wife and I sleep nude and get tangled pretty...

It seems that some people do, or they get tired of the 2x application. The latter is what happens with me lol. Though I can say that the best/most "normal" I've ever felt on TRT was on 2 clicks AM 1 click PM of cream. And perhaps most notable is that this protocol was the only protocol in which...

What has been your longest consistent run on the cream? Curious to hear from other long term cream users too. A trend I notice on this board (and in my own experience) is that cream is a home run for the first several weeks/months and then it begins to lose its luster for some reason.

Appreciate you sharing this insight regarding cortisol/enanthate. I also notice that I feel better on enanthate than cypionate, but never really understood why. A lot of guys say they can use enanthate/cypionate interchangeably and not notice any difference…not the case for me.

Daily and subq.

Funny how different we are...I wish I had the same experience with prop as Jerajera and bixt had. All prop did for me was remove the benefits I felt from every other form of TRT I've tried and in addition, made me really tired. I did sleep better on prop though. Total opposite experience.

How has your sleep been with the dose increase? For some guys, higher doses decrease the quality of their sleep. Overstimulated CNS? Just one possible explanation for the fatigue and brain fog that you’re experiencing.

Quoting my own post from 4 years ago to say that I prefer EOD to MWF. LOL.

It helps to stop thinking about the named day of the week (e.g. "Tuesday" or "Thursday"). It's simply every other day, always the same dose. For EOD, I think in terms of odd/even days of the week. For example I'm currently injecting on odd days. December has 31 days, so beginning January 2 I'll...

Of course it likely varies by provider, but guys who have an rx for cyp and want to supplement with cream would likely be prescribed a lower concentration cream (50 mg/ml) not the full concentration cream (200 mg/ml) that guys on cream only protocols use.

@Willyt I’m also curious to know where your SHBG is. Thanks.

Excellent post. Thank you for sharing. How long after switching to prop did it take for you to notice these effects/improvements?

I wonder if you meant .10 ml... Not impossible I guess, but high numbers for 10 mg. Anyway, I say if you feel great don't change anything.

Subjectively, how do you think this protocol (80 T + 120 ND) would compare to one in which dosages were reversed (120 T+ 80 ND)?

My $0.02 - break your injections up. EOD or E3.5D. I got the same feeling while doing large, infrequent injections.

@BigTex @Gman86 What do you guys think of Ibutamoren?

Ya know, I intentionally left that out, because focusing on what works for others can create a perpetual cycle of aiming at moving targets. What works for some may not work for others. However, between 36mg-40mg TE/TC EOD (subq) has been my happy place. E2 is in low 70s - I pretty much ignore...

Good thread topic. Figured I'd chime in to note that all things considered, I'm doing awesome. About 5 years in, no regrets.

Looks like you just switched to the low dose daily a few weeks ago and you're already feeling good - did you feel like garbage the first week or two?

If they did, it wasn't extremely noticeable. That said, I don't feel as if my testicles are extremely atrophied. They're a bit smaller than pre-TRT, but not "raisins" etc that I sometimes hear about from others.

What is your SHBG? IME it's the HCG that causes the high/tight scrotum. I've had my highest levels of E2 when not using HCG and did not have that problem. When using HCG it's common for me regardless of my E2 levels.

Do you feel better when you’re off, mentally and/or physically?