Less than 50 mg of T per week
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Systemlord
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Your results aren’t typical, you’re an outlier.
t_spacemonkey
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I've seen a study (dont' recall source) guys tested for muscle growth/gym recovery etc, with various doses. the guys on 50mg did worse then guys on placebo. obviously due to hpta shutdown, but IMO this dose is nonsense. you are better of getting of TRT and working on restoring natural production
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tareload
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3 topics to understand:
(1) Volume of distribution
(2) Clearance
and
(3) flip-flop kinetics
Case in point, testosterone in serum from injectable ester controlled by absorption rate not elimination rate. Makes for fun misunderstandings.
Flip–flop kinetics - Wikipedia
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Sergel
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Guess I have slow clearance then...3 topics to understand:
(1) Volume of distribution
(2) Clearance
and
(3) flip-flop kinetics
Case in point, testosterone in serum from injectable ester controlled by absorption rate not elimination rate. Makes for fun misunderstandings.
Flip–flop kinetics - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Sergel
Active Member
It is not a question of dose but a question of serum values I guess... the question is why do I get the serum value of T and free T at 80mg/week than another guy getting the same values on 200mg/week... If dosage was the only consideration, I would be climbing on walls... ask me how I know! My doc started me on 140 and I ran as high as 160 and was having superphisiological values that were off my lab's chart (maxes out at 1500...). 80mg puts me in the high 800 ...
I guess your mileage will varry... And yes, I am way better off with 80mg than before trt...
t_spacemonkey
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this is very interesting.....I also wonder why at 200mg/week my labs are low. 600total/25free or so.
i guess we all metabolize it differently
i guess we all metabolize it differently
Yes, I am slightly under 50mg per week now on daily Enan-Prop blend (see post below). Ester type is a big factor though. Daily Prop-only at 56mg per week put me well over top of range when testing at peak (4 hours post-injection).
Test results for 8mg daily blend (Enan + Prop)
Inspired by @Cataceous, I have been tinkering with Enan/Prop blends for the past year. The idea behind the daily blend is to re-introduce daily T fluctuation. Inject first thing in morning to peak early in day and let levels come down overnight. For example, Cat’s personal data based on 4:3...
www.excelmale.com
Both @Cataceous and @Blackhawk run in same area as well.
What were your numbers on 60mg per week? (assuming daily?)
GreenMachineX
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I'm on 7mg daily, so 49mg per week and free T is 117, on range of 35-155. Doing pretty well with this. Any more and I get anxiety over dumb stuff.
How do you feel on that dose/protocol?
That's good news as I recall you trying bunch of different protocols. What's your TT on that dose?
I feel pretty good. I started much higher and over time, due to various issues (including sleep as a significant issue), progressively lowered the dosage. The 12.5mg danazol daily made a big difference, but also shot my free T pretty high and even still has some negative impact on sleep. It's not a typical approach but so far, it seems to be working OK.
Admittedly, I don't know if I feel any better than if I stopped TRT and just stayed with danazol. The reason I went on TRT in the first place (age 21 or so, which was 16 years ago), was because t3-only thyroid replacement drove down my free T presumably due to high SHBG, and at the time my Dr didn't have any other way to get my Free T up aside from adding TRT. The TRT itself didn't help my symptoms a whole ton, if at all, until the dose was pretty high (and then I had many side effects), or later--when I added danazol and went with a much lower dose of T.
Note: I am on cypionate. I tried enanthate but actually felt much worse on identical dose, and had a lot of acne. Everyone is different. I inject every 3.5 days.
GreenMachineX
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Yeah, it's good. Finally. Total T is only 465, but I'm more concerned with free T and hct. Finally making gains in the gym again.
It looks like my SHBG was well within the normal range (around 40) prior to t3 therapy. It went up to around 94 on T3 therapy. Danazol along with whatever else I did (not sure if boron or other nutrients may be helping), brought it down from 94 to around 60 and it has stayed there for about 4 years.
Whats your vitamin D level at ?
I know vitamin D helps make natural testosterone but once you start trt it’s a different story.
I’m wondering if having a high level of vitamin D helps you have higher testosterone levels when on trt. I went up on daily intake from 2000iu to 3000iu and my level has gone from 70 to 114. My free testo had gone up from 735 to 980 so I dropped my weekly testosterone down.
I know vitamin D helps make natural testosterone but once you start trt it’s a different story.
I’m wondering if having a high level of vitamin D helps you have higher testosterone levels when on trt. I went up on daily intake from 2000iu to 3000iu and my level has gone from 70 to 114. My free testo had gone up from 735 to 980 so I dropped my weekly testosterone down.
Nice. What brand D (or D3?) are you taking?
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