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What is TRT and What is NOT TRT
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<blockquote data-quote="tareload" data-source="post: 259247"><p>1. Elevated Hct (erythrocytosis secondary to TRT) completely harmless. No mention of any limit or any ceiling. It is just more oxygen in the blood. Why do these guys never EVER tie together plasma viscosity + Hct yields whole blood viscosity. Think you better understand your individual patient's inflammation and plasma proteins before telling him an Hct of 58% is great?</p><p></p><p>2. Elevated E2. Same. Let it go wherever it wants. No concerns.</p><p></p><p>3. SUPRAPhysiologic Testosterone dosing is not only fine it is actually required nowadays for men to properly benefit from TRT. Full stop. Think about this statement.</p><p></p><p>4. Supraphysiologic fT3 levels are needed. Optimal fT3 levels are the top quartile at least. WTF?</p><p></p><p>5. DHT blah blah ditto. No risks here. </p><p></p><p>Let's start there. If you have been following along [USER=12858]@Charliebizz[/USER] these are the big ones over last 5 years here and on TNation.</p><p></p><p>Never any measure of caution or safety margin. Just blanket statements and hand waving. And then when a patient has a stroke, DVT, PE, high BP there is always an excuse. Does not seem like a great way to establish a standard of care.</p><p></p><p>Surely you have seen the debate between Saya and RobRoy a while back. There is nothing new here actually. The logic is "I state it hence it must be so". No room for individual variability and case by case prudence. You can see the disdain and ridicule the TOT crew had for the "puny" intervention done in the TRAVERSE trial on their podcast and they mimic their God Rouzier and his "cute" little comments about a little bit of AI and little bit of T blah blah. I can tell you a FT of 20-30 ng/dl is not going to be wise for some patients. Why won't you concede this [USER=42893]@RobRoy[/USER]?</p><p></p><p>Why do you continue with all the blatant macho shit? A responsible medical practicioner with clinical experience would conclude you are retarded or reckless.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tareload, post: 259247"] 1. Elevated Hct (erythrocytosis secondary to TRT) completely harmless. No mention of any limit or any ceiling. It is just more oxygen in the blood. Why do these guys never EVER tie together plasma viscosity + Hct yields whole blood viscosity. Think you better understand your individual patient's inflammation and plasma proteins before telling him an Hct of 58% is great? 2. Elevated E2. Same. Let it go wherever it wants. No concerns. 3. SUPRAPhysiologic Testosterone dosing is not only fine it is actually required nowadays for men to properly benefit from TRT. Full stop. Think about this statement. 4. Supraphysiologic fT3 levels are needed. Optimal fT3 levels are the top quartile at least. WTF? 5. DHT blah blah ditto. No risks here. Let's start there. If you have been following along [USER=12858]@Charliebizz[/USER] these are the big ones over last 5 years here and on TNation. Never any measure of caution or safety margin. Just blanket statements and hand waving. And then when a patient has a stroke, DVT, PE, high BP there is always an excuse. Does not seem like a great way to establish a standard of care. Surely you have seen the debate between Saya and RobRoy a while back. There is nothing new here actually. The logic is "I state it hence it must be so". No room for individual variability and case by case prudence. You can see the disdain and ridicule the TOT crew had for the "puny" intervention done in the TRAVERSE trial on their podcast and they mimic their God Rouzier and his "cute" little comments about a little bit of AI and little bit of T blah blah. I can tell you a FT of 20-30 ng/dl is not going to be wise for some patients. Why won't you concede this [USER=42893]@RobRoy[/USER]? Why do you continue with all the blatant macho shit? A responsible medical practicioner with clinical experience would conclude you are retarded or reckless. [/QUOTE]
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