Low SHBG - Lower Total T and Feeling Great

riverside · Nov 19, 2017

Any other low SHBG guys feel better with a lower Total T? My current numbers are:

Total T: 428 ng/dl (240-950dl)
Free T: 14.1 ng/dl (4.65-18.1)
SHBG: 18
DHT: 653 pg/ml (112-955)
E2: 27 pg/ml (10-40)

I used to always be on the higher end of Total T and Free T was through the roof from higher dose protocols but always struggled with short bursts of feeling good and libido. I am now injecting Test-P daily along with one click of cream on my testicles for a DHT boost. I have to say that my libido has been very strong consistently for a few weeks which I've never experienced.

Just curious on other's opinions on Total T for low SHBG guys. Pre-TRT, my SHBG was 35 and now ranges from 13-19. My non scientific way of looking at reducing dosage is to possibly raise my SHBG while maintaining at the high end of Free T which is all that should matter. Flawed logic?

Either way, I am feeling great with fantastic night and morning erections which I attribute to my current protocol. I haven't had morning wood in most of my adult life and I am 37.

Vince · Nov 19, 2017

Interesting thread, I would think that your T levels are too low. Apparently I'm wrong, the main thing is it's working, I hope it continues to work for you. Keep us posted on your journey.

CoastWatcher · Nov 19, 2017

If this is working for you, and it seems to be, that's wonderful. Nothing is a surprise when TRT is the subject under discussion.

jth0524 · Nov 19, 2017

How much testosterone are you injecting daily? Are you using HCG? Thanks

Systemlord · Nov 19, 2017

It's amazing you feel this good well under the midrange (500 ng/dL), most guys start to experience low T symptoms below this point. Your SHBG is exactly what mine was at my initial 4 week follow up, how long have you been on TRT? I'm learning that if guys go over their biological limit they will never feel right.

riverside · Nov 19, 2017

jth0524 said:
How much testosterone are you injecting daily? Are you using HCG? Thanks

18mg daily Test-Prop.
220IU of HCG EOD

riverside · Nov 19, 2017

Systemlord said:
It's amazing you feel this good well under the midrange (500 ng/dL), most guys start to experience low T symptoms below this point. Your SHBG is exactly what mine was at my initial 4 week follow up, how long have you been on TRT? I'm learning that if guys go over their biological limit they will never feel right.

I started injecting in August of 2016 and have tried many protocols including Clomid for 2 months before starting injections.

riverside · Nov 19, 2017

I guess the main thing I am looking for guidance on is if Total T matters for low SHBG guys that have higher Free T? If ones Free T is on the higher end, are you losing anything just because Total T is lower?

SPEEDY · Nov 20, 2017

'one click of cream on my testicles for a DHT boost' - Maybe that's why you are feeling good, was this in your previous protocol?

Vince · Nov 20, 2017

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How DHT Works in the Body

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riverside · Nov 20, 2017

SPEEDY said:
'one click of cream on my testicles for a DHT boost' - Maybe that's why you are feeling good, was this in your previous protocol?

Yes, I've actually been doing this for a while. I do think it helps me but I've been up and down on higher doses of Test while using the cream. It definitely boosts my DHT.

jth0524 · Nov 20, 2017

Riverside, I just started injecting daily and using the one click cream to scrotum. My question is about your injection sites. I’ve read propionate can leave some serious post injection pain. What sites are you using to inject? Thanks

riverside · Nov 20, 2017

jth0524 said:
Riverside, I just started injecting daily and using the one click cream to scrotum. My question is about your injection sites. I've read propionate can leave some serious post injection pain. What sites are you using to inject? Thanks

I mainly inject in my glutes. I inject HCG in my stomach but when I inject Test in my stomach it gets irritated and creates a lump. This was with cypionate as well. I don't experience any injection pain from propionate.

TheDude · Nov 20, 2017

riverside said:
Any other low SHBG guys feel better with a lower Total T? My current numbers are:

Total T: 428 ng/dl (240-950dl)
Free T: 14.1 ng/dl (4.65-18.1)
SHBG: 18
DHT: 653 pg/ml (112-955)
E2: 27 pg/ml (10-40)

I used to always be on the higher end of Total T and Free T was through the roof from higher dose protocols but always struggled with short bursts of feeling good and libido. I am now injecting Test-P daily along with one click of cream on my testicles for a DHT boost. I have to say that my libido has been very strong consistently for a few weeks which I've never experienced.

Just curious on other's opinions on Total T for low SHBG guys. Pre-TRT, my SHBG was 35 and now ranges from 13-19. My non scientific way of looking at reducing dosage is to possibly raise my SHBG while maintaining at the high end of Free T which is all that should matter. Flawed logic?

Either way, I am feeling great with fantastic night and morning erections which I attribute to my current protocol. I haven't had morning wood in most of my adult life and I am 37.

I'm curious about the daily cream on the testicles. Is there not a concern of it rubbing off on partner?

jth0524 · Nov 20, 2017

Riverside, thanks so much for your openness about your successful protocol. 2 more questions if I may...What size needle are you using? Also, what perceived differences did you notice in switching from cypionate to propionate? Thanks again!

riverside · Nov 20, 2017

TheDude said:
I'm curious about the daily cream on the testicles. Is there not a concern of it rubbing off on partner?

I do it in the morning either after contact or plan for no contact for at least 2 hours after.

riverside · Nov 20, 2017

jth0524 said:
Riverside, thanks so much for your openness about your successful protocol. 2 more questions if I may...What size needle are you using? Also, what perceived differences did you notice in switching from cypionate to propionate? Thanks again!

I use a 30g pin. Hard to say on the differences between cypionate and propionate for me because my dosage changed at the same time. For now, I'm going to stick with Prop.

riverside · Nov 20, 2017

I should also add that I have been feeling great but need to give this much more time to deem it successful. I've had peaks and valleys trying to dial in - this has just been the longest consecutive successful run so I think I am in the right direction at least.

FeelingLost · Nov 20, 2017

riverside said:
I should also add that I have been feeling great but need to give this much more time to deem it successful. I've had peaks and valleys trying to dial in - this has just been the longest consecutive successful run so I think I am in the right direction at least.

Hi riverside it is nice to read a success story like yours every now and then. In my 11 month TRT journey I have experienced many ups and downs none seem to stick around for very long. It sure sounds like you may have found what works for you. As the weeks click by I hope you will continue to post how it is going. Personnaly I would not change anything with the protocol.

Systemlord · Nov 20, 2017

FeelingLost said:
Hi riverside it is nice to read a success story like yours every now and then. In my 11 month TRT journey I have experienced many ups and downs none seem to stick around for very long. It sure sounds like you may have found what works for you. As the weeks click by I hope you will continue to post how it is going. Personnaly I would not change anything with the protocol.

I still experience up and downs 7 month into TRT, however as time goes on it's happening less often, like it's working it's way toward permanente.

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