I appreciate posting (scientific) sources for claims or opinions.
"It's pure poison..." etc is obviously false. "Educate yourself..." , just state your sources and discuss it, or leave it alone, IMHO.
Sometimes it can be tricky here.
Lower TRT dosage when adding hCG to keep blood work stable?
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"It's pure poison..." etc is obviously false. "Educate yourself..." , just state your sources and discuss it, or leave it alone, IMHO.
Sometimes it can be tricky here.
Try to use your logical reasoning skills, it's all men that are susceptible, if you only think a small group is susceptible you have clue what finasteride actually does and impacts.
Do you actually believe that blocking the most androgenic hormone and multiple neurosteroids for years will only have an affect on your prostate or hair? It's literally long term hormonal disruption treatment of the worst kind.
Also you do understand how epigenetics work right? EVERY man can get PFS. It's only a matter of time before you get side effects.
There's a reason more and more doctors refuse to prescribe it and even respected professors are going public to warn about the dangers of 5ari's like finasteride.
And read my meta analysis study that already reviewed all studies (hint: most are extremely weak and of bad quality), so spamming the thread with these studies won't change the facts.
Also be aware of this: There is a worrying amount of fraud in medical research
"There is a worrying amount of fraud in medical research"
Medicine is plagued by untrustworthy clinical trials. How many studies are faked or flawed?
Investigations suggest that, in some fields, at least one-quarter of clinical trials might be problematic or even entirely made up, warn some researchers. They urge stronger scrutiny.www.nature.com
Medicine is plagued by untrustworthy clinical trials. How many studies are faked or flawed?
"Investigations suggest that, in some fields, atleast one-quarter of clinical trials might be problematic or even entirely made up, warn some researchers. They urge stronger scrutiny."
A third of new drugs cause serious problems when more people take them
Almost one-third of new drugs approved by the FDA ended up years later with warnings about unexpected, sometimes life-threatening side effects.www.nbcnews.com
New Drugs Found to Cause Side Effects Years After Approval
Almost one-third of new drugs approved by the FDA ended up years later with warnings about unexpected, sometimes life-threatening side effects.
Also amazing you dare to post an old low quality study insinuating nocebo effects.
Recent study about pfs and nocebo:
Neuropsychiatric Reactions to Finasteride: Nocebo or True Effect?
A document by Mayer Brezis. Click on the document to view its contents.www.authorea.com
Neuropsychiatric Reactions to Finasteride: Nocebo or True Effect?
“Serious adverse effects from finasteride appear to be real and not related to simulated reporting of a nocebo effect.”
And I can post a ton of studies too if you'd like.
Efficacy and safety of Finasteride (5 alpha-reductase inhibitor) monotherapy in patients with benign prostatic hyperplasia: A critical review of the literature - PubMed
Although significant clinical benefits of finasteride monotherapy were demonstrated, the effective size of the available reports included in the analysis is limited. Additional head-to-head studies would be needed to re-evaluate clinical efficacy and safety of 5-ARI in combination or not with...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Sexual health dysfunctions were significantly influenced by finasteride therapy when compared with placebo treated patients.
Finasteride is not some magical drug without side effects that balding guys wish it to be.
Btw did you know finasteride gets new warnings even decades after release, recently for Hematospermia.
Around the world the drug is getting more scrutiny.
"Regulators are waking from their slumber: ANSM France adding red box warning to packaging, providing extensive safety info to pts. FDA to host Pt Listening Session on post-finasteride syndrome UK MHRA to launch safety review Health Canada to update safety info on suicidality"
Also amazing that a mod on this forum tries to downplay the effects... Shameful.
"Do you actually believe that blocking the most androgenic hormone and multiple neurosteroids for years will only have an affect on your prostate or hair? It's literally long term hormonal disruption treatment of the worst kind."
I think nobody here believes that!
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Try to use your logical reasoning skills, it's all men that are susceptible, if you only think a small group is susceptible you have clue what finasteride actually does and impacts.
Do you actually believe that blocking the most androgenic hormone and multiple neurosteroids for years will only have an affect on your prostate or hair? It's literally long term hormonal disruption treatment of the worst kind.
Also you do understand how epigenetics work right? EVERY man can get PFS. It's only a matter of time before you get side effects.
There's a reason more and more doctors refuse to prescribe it and even respected professors are going public to warn about the dangers of 5ari's like finasteride.
And read my meta analysis study that already reviewed all studies (hint: most are extremely weak and of bad quality), so spamming the thread with these studies won't change the facts.
Also be aware of this: There is a worrying amount of fraud in medical research
"There is a worrying amount of fraud in medical research"
Medicine is plagued by untrustworthy clinical trials. How many studies are faked or flawed?
Investigations suggest that, in some fields, at least one-quarter of clinical trials might be problematic or even entirely made up, warn some researchers. They urge stronger scrutiny.
Medicine is plagued by untrustworthy clinical trials. How many studies are faked or flawed?
"Investigations suggest that, in some fields, atleast one-quarter of clinical trials might be problematic or even entirely made up, warn some researchers. They urge stronger scrutiny."
A third of new drugs cause serious problems when more people take them
Almost one-third of new drugs approved by the FDA ended up years later with warnings about unexpected, sometimes life-threatening side effects.
New Drugs Found to Cause Side Effects Years After Approval
Almost one-third of new drugs approved by the FDA ended up years later with warnings about unexpected, sometimes life-threatening side effects.
Also amazing you dare to post an old low quality study insinuating nocebo effects.
Recent study about pfs and nocebo:
Neuropsychiatric Reactions to Finasteride: Nocebo or True Effect?
A document by Mayer Brezis. Click on the document to view its contents.
Neuropsychiatric Reactions to Finasteride: Nocebo or True Effect?
“Serious adverse effects from finasteride appear to be real and not related to simulated reporting of a nocebo effect.”
And I can post a ton of studies too if you'd like.
Efficacy and safety of Finasteride (5 alpha-reductase inhibitor) monotherapy in patients with benign prostatic hyperplasia: A critical review of the literature - PubMed
Although significant clinical benefits of finasteride monotherapy were demonstrated, the effective size of the available reports included in the analysis is limited. Additional head-to-head studies would be needed to re-evaluate clinical efficacy and safety of 5-ARI in combination or not with...
Sexual health dysfunctions were significantly influenced by finasteride therapy when compared with placebo treated patients.
Finasteride is not some magical drug without side effects that balding guys wish it to be.
Btw did you know finasteride gets new warnings even decades after release, recently for Hematospermia.
Around the world the drug is getting more scrutiny.
"Regulators are waking from their slumber: ANSM France adding red box warning to packaging, providing extensive safety info to pts. FDA to host Pt Listening Session on post-finasteride syndrome UK MHRA to launch safety review Health Canada to update safety info on suicidality"
Also amazing that a mod on this forum tries to downplay the effects... Shameful.
Studies we can get deep and dig up a shitload!
You should be well aware of the pioneers in the field.
Did you look over any of the papers by Traish or Irwig I posted on the forum over the years?
Posted one of Traish's big ones in my previous reply.
Everyone still singing the same tune when it comes to PFS!
*MAY PERSIST IN A SUBSET OF MEN
*Patients with EPIGENETIC SUSCEPTIBILITY may experience persistent effects regardless of age or dosage
Sure as hell not everyone who touches it!
Again no one is downplaying or denying that the use of 5ARs (finasteride/dutasteride) can cause sexual/mental sides which can be common let alone PFS in some.
Again it's not a given that everyone will experience such especially when it comes to PFS.
Remember the big paper Healy dropped in 2022?
I was the one who posted the draft on here before anyone had it.
You need to tread lightly when it comes to claiming that everyone and their brother is doomed for touching that poison!
My experience over 13 years
HCG enhances the way music used to sound (well being and happiness), drops the testicles and ding ding for about the first 4-5 weeks then goes back to T supplementation sizes, no need for an Ai for the first 4-5 weeks then it is a must if you continue to use.
Therefore I cycle it on for 6-8 weeks then off for 6-8 weeks and it seems to be the missing piece to the puzzle of trt.
However, in my experience you have to have you T levels at a normal or semi informal level-600-1500
Just my experience
HCG enhances the way music used to sound (well being and happiness), drops the testicles and ding ding for about the first 4-5 weeks then goes back to T supplementation sizes, no need for an Ai for the first 4-5 weeks then it is a must if you continue to use.
Therefore I cycle it on for 6-8 weeks then off for 6-8 weeks and it seems to be the missing piece to the puzzle of trt.
However, in my experience you have to have you T levels at a normal or semi informal level-600-1500
Just my experience
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