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Raising ferritin FAST (a how-to, not a question)
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<blockquote data-quote="MedicineMan" data-source="post: 209641" data-attributes="member: 43112"><p>Yes I am aware of that. Dosage adjustments and frequency of injections made no difference. I should have said settled at 125mg dose instead of working way down to it. I also based dose on my levels of free testosterone. My free levels are at the high end of normal. This is the most important number for me. Anything lower and free drops off substantially. Also, did not feel good on other doses. The main thing is my lipid profile, mood, body composition all improved when I adjusted the dose. Not sure that on 38mg a week I could justify the cost, needle sticks, labs etc.. I understand the young man argument but I don’t think it is that simple. For example, if I used the same amount a young man makes naturally as dosage marker I would get no where near his natural levels. I also have secondary hypogonadism. So I had lower levels even in my early 20s. I also looked at my pre trt hct levels compared with now and I am still within range of the average increase in levels. The challenge is that we have to base all of our information and hypothesis on men who are not on trt. We need studies that focus on trt guys. It is my guess that for example in regard to hct we may or may not learn that in trt guys there is a new set point for hct and lower ferritin may not be as important without symptoms in our subset because of higher iron serum values. For myself, I just try to base it on how I feel and look at other combined factors such as lipids, body composition, blood pressure, platelets etc.. In my case, everything improved except for a number on a scale that has not been studied in men on trt therapy. I am guilty just like everyone else of getting on the blood donating bandwagon out of a abundance of caution but it seems like something does not add up. It may be an outdated way to address hct in trt guys or more factors need to be taken into consideration. Vicious cycle. I totally agree with your too high of dose point but it probably took me 3 and a half years to dial dosage, hormones, supplements and everything else in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MedicineMan, post: 209641, member: 43112"] Yes I am aware of that. Dosage adjustments and frequency of injections made no difference. I should have said settled at 125mg dose instead of working way down to it. I also based dose on my levels of free testosterone. My free levels are at the high end of normal. This is the most important number for me. Anything lower and free drops off substantially. Also, did not feel good on other doses. The main thing is my lipid profile, mood, body composition all improved when I adjusted the dose. Not sure that on 38mg a week I could justify the cost, needle sticks, labs etc.. I understand the young man argument but I don’t think it is that simple. For example, if I used the same amount a young man makes naturally as dosage marker I would get no where near his natural levels. I also have secondary hypogonadism. So I had lower levels even in my early 20s. I also looked at my pre trt hct levels compared with now and I am still within range of the average increase in levels. The challenge is that we have to base all of our information and hypothesis on men who are not on trt. We need studies that focus on trt guys. It is my guess that for example in regard to hct we may or may not learn that in trt guys there is a new set point for hct and lower ferritin may not be as important without symptoms in our subset because of higher iron serum values. For myself, I just try to base it on how I feel and look at other combined factors such as lipids, body composition, blood pressure, platelets etc.. In my case, everything improved except for a number on a scale that has not been studied in men on trt therapy. I am guilty just like everyone else of getting on the blood donating bandwagon out of a abundance of caution but it seems like something does not add up. It may be an outdated way to address hct in trt guys or more factors need to be taken into consideration. Vicious cycle. I totally agree with your too high of dose point but it probably took me 3 and a half years to dial dosage, hormones, supplements and everything else in. [/QUOTE]
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