PCT regiment coming off 2 years TRT

[bobbytomorow]

I am 44 years old and have been on TRT for approx 2 years (from initial 150MG down to current 70MG weekly for 2 years). I find that I have too much stress, anger, agitation and anxeity while on TRT. I have tried everything lowering the dose, taking AI, switch from pinning once per week to 2x per week to 3x per week etc, meditation, more exercise, better sleep, myriad of supplements. Prettty much everything. I also used to cycle when I spent more time in the gym so am not super new to test use, it has always made me very anxious, tense and agitated. But I am not here to talk about how to change my TRT regiment, I have made the decision to end the TRT (perhaps one day I will attempt again) and so that brings me to the PCT. I want to have as soft a landing as possible.

My TRT regimen as of now:
2 x per week - 40MG Test E


What I have on hand for PCT:
5000IU of HCG
100 x 25MG of clomid
30 x 1MG arimidex
lots of cialis

My main questions:
A) With what I have on hand what would be a good restart protocol?
B) Do I begin the HCG BEFORE or AFTER my last pin?

 

[Systemlord]

You start now, 15 days of hCG 1500-2000 split 2-3 times per week, followed by clomid for 25 days.

If you do decide to try TRT in the future, change to a short acting ester.

Maybe even try one of the new oral TRT options, Kyzatrex. Hormone levels decline quickly compared to injections, 100 ng/dL per hour with a 6 hour half-life.

 

[TLR]

I would say wait a couple of weeks after last injection, and start the HCG 500 IU twice a week and 50 mg of Clomid every day for two weeks, then 25 every day for two weeks. You could probably get by with 25 daily for the whole month….some people will say to go longer, which you can do, but if you don’t come around within a month it’s not gonna get any better in my experience

 

[bobbytomorow]

Ok I began after reading the suggestions.

What I did:

Nov 30th last Test E injection (40MG)
Starting Dec 1st 500IU of HCG continued EOD until 5000IU vial complete
Starting Dec 7th began 25MG daily of Clomid

I am now at Dec 17th and feel absolutely DRAINED of energy. I can sleep literally all day and night. I feel physically weak. I essentially feel like I just want to lay in bed forever.

Is this normal at this stage of PCT?

I think I am going to go back on TRT ASAP and try this again at another date...It is an inopportune time also as I am right in the middle of a separation (wife and kid moving out in a few weeks, lots going on emotionally). So I think I will get back on TRT and attempt again once I am over this hump of separation turmoil. Next time I will try to better prepare for a solid PCT regimen instead of more or less winging it like I did this time.

In a perfect world what would be the suggested protocol to feel the best while coming off? Next time I try going off I will be at a little over 2 years of TRT.

PS - I do have some feeling in my testes, hard to explain its not pain but sort of a mild dull ache since I began PCT. I am assuming it is them restarting?

 

[Systemlord]

I am now at Dec 17th and feel absolutely DRAINED of energy.

Is this normal at this stage of PCT?

This is likely a side effect of clomid.

I do have some feeling in my testes, hard to explain its not pain but sort of a mild dull ache since I began PCT.

This is a sign that the testes are receiving stimulation, waking up. You might increase the dose of Clomid in the next few days if you’re not out of this slump.

 

[FlamingDragon]

Ok I began after reading the suggestions.

What I did:

Nov 30th last Test E injection (40MG)
Starting Dec 1st 500IU of HCG continued EOD until 5000IU vial complete
Starting Dec 7th began 25MG daily of Clomid

I am now at Dec 17th and feel absolutely DRAINED of energy. I can sleep literally all day and night. I feel physically weak. I essentially feel like I just want to lay in bed forever.

Is this normal at this stage of PCT?

I think I am going to go back on TRT ASAP and try this again at another date...It is an inopportune time also as I am right in the middle of a separation (wife and kid moving out in a few weeks, lots going on emotionally). So I think I will get back on TRT and attempt again once I am over this hump of separation turmoil. Next time I will try to better prepare for a solid PCT regimen instead of more or less winging it like I did this time.

In a perfect world what would be the suggested protocol to feel the best while coming off? Next time I try going off I will be at a little over 2 years of TRT.

PS - I do have some feeling in my testes, hard to explain its not pain but sort of a mild dull ache since I began PCT. I am assuming it is them restarting?

This is way late reply but you should be waiting at least 5 half lives of the Test E before you begin taking the clomid as it will not do anything for you. It's ok take the HCG before that. It would be best to take hcg while waiting the 30 days for the Test E to leave your system...Then start the Clomid. So Basically you should have started the Clomid. Dec 30th at the earliest.

 

[Kenp]

This is way late reply but you should be waiting at least 5 half lives of the Test E before you begin taking the clomid as it will not do anything for you. It's ok take the HCG before that. It would be best to take hcg while waiting the 30 days for the Test E to leave your system...Then start the Clomid. So Basically you should have started the Clomid. Dec 30th at the earliest.

Is 30 days enough for test e to leave your system? I thought it had a half life of 7 - 10 days. So if we go by the 5 x half life rule then he needs to wait a month and a half no?

 

[FlamingDragon]

Is 30 days enough for test e to leave your system? I thought it had a half life of 7 - 10 days. So if we go by the 5 x half life rule then he needs to wait a month and a half no?

You get different numbers from different people. When I was on Test E my doc said the half life was 6 days and C was longer. Who knows...but waiting a week is definitely not enough time.