Dianabol with TRT?

[nippy]

I dropped my test to 50 mg a week split between two injections . So 25 mg a shot. Just had full bloods done and will get those back next week. I've had headache for 13 days. Higher BP . Vision issues. More moody and irritable than normal and zero erections

Boron is not all that effective in lowering SHBG in my experience and when it does work it's only very short term.
With high SHBG you're likely to feel better injecting once a week.
Another member sh1973 has tried all kinds of dosing protocols over the last 13 years and feels best on his current protocol of 60mg once a week.
It does look like you need to have your over active thyroid addressed. I hope some other members can offer you some helpful advice.

Thanks . Sorry I forgot to attach my free T results ... I've looked more in to my TSH and it's says it's average ... So may be a a separate post about this

 

[Forty2]

Thanks . Sorry I forgot to attach my free T results ... I've looked more in to my TSH and it's says it's average ... So may be a a separate post about this

Your TT is on the low end of the reference range and your SHBG is high, giving you low FT.
Like I suggested, once a week shots will work better for you. You could try 60mg once a week like sh1973 uses with great success and then go from there. It's better to start low and raise the dose if need be than the other way around.

 

[nippy]

Your TT is on the low end of the reference range and your SHBG is high, giving you low FT.
Like I suggested, once a week shots will work better for you. You could try 60mg once a week like sh1973 uses with great success and then go from there. It's better to start low and raise the dose if need be than the other way around.

Yeah I might start today thanks

 

[JimGainz]

I am about to start an experiment on this myself. I am a long-term TRT patient who also occasionally use Nandrolone, but I am about to experiment with an old protocol used by Ben Johnson, the famous sprinter from the 1980s. According to documentation I found, he used to cycle Dianabol at 5 mg for three weeks, off for three weeks, and then 10 mg for three weeks and repeat that over the course of his career leading up to the Olympics.

I have some Dbol coming in this week and will start 5 mg per day and will not be taking any testosterone initially, only hCG, and I will assess side effects and how I feel. I might wind up, adding a tiny bit of testosterone, but no more than 50 mg per week. Taking two androgens like dianabol and Testosterone gets very messy and is a bush league protocol with potential side effects. I see no issues with hepatoxicity at these doses and duration.

will report back here or I’ll make a new post.

 

[RocknRolLovinguy]

I am about to start an experiment on this myself. I am a long-term TRT patient who also occasionally use Nandrolone, but I am about to experiment with an old protocol used by Ben Johnson, the famous sprinter from the 1980s. According to documentation I found, he used to cycle Dianabol at 5 mg for three weeks, off for three weeks, and then 10 mg for three weeks and repeat that over the course of his career leading up to the Olympics.

I have some Dbol coming in this week and will start 5 mg per day and will not be taking any testosterone initially, only hCG, and I will assess side effects and how I feel. I might wind up, adding a tiny bit of testosterone, but no more than 50 mg per week. Taking two androgens like dianabol and Testosterone gets very messy and is a bush league protocol with potential side effects. I see no issues with hepatoxicity at these doses and duration.

will report back here or I’ll make a new post.

How's the experiment going would you like to report back? Just a side not. Was he not actually banned for Stanozolol?

 

[JimGainz]

How's the experiment going would you like to report back? Just a side not. Was he not actually banned for Stanozolol?

Hi. First of all you are correct. Ben Johnson was actually banned for using winstrol. He switched to a combination of Winstrol and testosterone after doing the short dbol cycles I mentioned over a period of years.

I absolutely love this protocol. I am on my third round of 2 to 3 weeks on taking 5 to 10 mg per day followed by at least 3 to 4 weeks off and then repeat. The only other compound that I use during this phase is nandrolone with a very small amount of testosterone - 40mg/week.

I had blood work done in March and my creatinine levels were high, which they have been for several years and my liver enzymes were just over the normal end of the range. I have a very conservative Doctor who had me get an abdominal ultrasound to look at the kidneys and the liver and I just got the results this week and everything was A-OK. All normal.

Lipids have been fine. I take a statin and my cholesterol hovers at 125 and LDL is under 70. HDL dropped a little bit from 59 to 54 but who cares it’s insignificant.

I am much fuller, stronger, with better well-being. Since I started doing this a few months ago, I put on 15 lbs. Granted, some of that is the nandrolone which I bumped to 200 mg per week but I noticed when add the Dbol I get noticeably bigger fast.

 

[RocknRolLovinguy]

Hi. First of all you are correct. Ben Johnson was actually banned for using winstrol. He switched to a combination of Winstrol and testosterone after doing the short dbol cycles I mentioned over a period of years.

I absolutely love this protocol. I am on my third round of 2 to 3 weeks on taking 5 to 10 mg per day followed by at least 3 to 4 weeks off and then repeat. The only other compound that I use during this phase is nandrolone with a very small amount of testosterone - 40mg/week.

I had blood work done in March and my creatinine levels were high, which they have been for several years and my liver enzymes were just over the normal end of the range. I have a very conservative Doctor who had me get an abdominal ultrasound to look at the kidneys and the liver and I just got the results this week and everything was A-OK. All normal.

Lipids have been fine. I take a statin and my cholesterol hovers at 125 and LDL is under 70. HDL dropped a little bit from 59 to 54 but who cares it’s insignificant.

I am much fuller, stronger, with better well-being. Since I started doing this a few months ago, I put on 15 lbs. Granted, some of that is the nandrolone which I bumped to 200 mg per week but I noticed when add the Dbol I get noticeably bigger fast.

This sounds like the old school protocol with one to two tabs a day with Deca or Primo as primary compound and test at around TRT ranges.

I am excited to know your bio markers are satisfactory with this protocol.

 

[JimGainz]

This sounds like the old school protocol with one to two tabs a day with Deca or Primo as primary compound and test at around TRT ranges.

I am excited to know your bio markers are satisfactory with this protocol.

Right on. There’s something to be said for those protocols. I recall reading in multiple places the old school Dbol dose was 15 mg daily along with either Deca or Primo. I would love to do a primo-based protocol but the estrogen lowering effects are too pronounced (on 100 mg Test with 50 mg Primo - no AI - my Estradiol went from 75 to 30).

Btw - on low Test and 200 mg Deca estradiol came in at 20 - no AI. I didn’t t get blood work done while adding the Dbol but it couldn’t have been that high IMO.

People have issues when they run Dbol and/or Deca with too high of a Testosterone dose.

 

[Gman86]

Right on. There’s something to be said for those protocols. I recall reading in multiple places the old school Dbol dose was 15 mg daily along with either Deca or Primo. I would love to do a primo-based protocol but the estrogen lowering effects are too pronounced (on 100 mg Test with 50 mg Primo - no AI - my Estradiol went from 75 to 30).

Btw - on low Test and 200 mg Deca estradiol came in at 20 - no AI. I didn’t t get blood work done while adding the Dbol but it couldn’t have been that high IMO.

People have issues when they run Dbol and/or Deca with too high of a Testosterone dose.

Just for reference, my E2 came back at basically the same when doing the protocol u were on when u had labs done. Was also on 500iu’s of HCG per week tho

4-2-20
Deca - 200mg/ week
Test - 40mg/ week
HCG - 500iu’s/ week

Ultrasensitive E2 - 24 (quest)


And ya primo is a very strong ai for me as well. Could never see myself running it as a base

So overall ur feeling pretty damn good, in all aspects, with ur E2 at 20?

What’s ur SHBG?

 

[RocknRolLovinguy]

Currently in third week of 250 test and 100 deca per week. I also add 10 mg DBol on exercise days for 2 weeks and then 2 weeks off and repeat for 12 weeks. Everything except DBol is Pharma grade.

I have taken bloodwork before I started so will report back after 12 weeks on the numbers.

2 weeks into this protocol I already see a lot of heads turning while I walk. I warm-up for lifts with weights that I would have ended my sets with earlier.