Anastrozole Use: Joint Pain in Hands-Ankles: Oily Skin

Currently on 200 Text Cyp, 1 shot a week. Was originally prescribed Anastrozole because my nipples became sensitive, they grew, and i was sweating all the time. I was prescribed 1mg every other day. However went to my GC and she said to reduce it to .5mg 2x a week.

I have started having joint pain in my fingers on both hands (very strange). its between my thumb and pointer fingers. I also see that my nipples definitely grew. They were always small, but definitely got bigger. I am also starting to have very low libido. I have been on this protocol for 2 months now, and had blood work done and they said my Estrogen was in the normal level.

Anyone have any idea whats going on? Am i taking too much/not enough?

I have been on TRT since March 2016 and was really feeling good in the beginning, but now feel I am in a funk, any suggestions?

I do not use an AI, but testosterone has increase the size of my nipples. I have naturally small nipples and I like the increase but I have no nipple sensitivity. If you can avoid an AI, I would. Here's my latest testosterone panel. https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?6502-My-latest-testosterone-panel-from-3-21-16

billyjr said:

Currently on 200 Text Cyp, 1 shot a week. Was originally prescribed Anastrozole because my nipples became sensitive, they grew, and i was sweating all the time. I was prescribed 1mg every other day. However went to my GC and she said to reduce it to .5mg 2x a week.

I have started having joint pain in my fingers on both hands (very strange). its between my thumb and pointer fingers. I also see that my nipples definitely grew. They were always small, but definitely got bigger. I am also starting to have very low libido. I have been on this protocol for 2 months now, and had blood work done and they said my Estrogen was in the normal level.

Anyone have any idea whats going on? Am i taking too much/not enough?

I have been on TRT since March 2016 and was really feeling good in the beginning, but now feel I am in a funk, any suggestions?

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Post up your most current labs please.

IMHO, 200mg of Test in a single injection, once a week isn't optimal. You should be breaking that up into a 100mg injection every 3.5 days for starters. Less aromatization.

Your anastrozole dosage (at 1mg EOD) is just plain crazy. Way too much. At least your other doctor knocked it down to .5mg BIW, however I still think this is overdosing you, and causing your E2 to crash. That's why a sensitive E2 lab result would help paint a more complete picture here.

Jackie Treehorn said:

Post up your most current labs please.

IMHO, 200mg of Test in a single injection, once a week isn't optimal. You should be breaking that up into a 100mg injection every 3.5 days for starters. Less aromatization.

Your anastrozole dosage (at 1mg EOD) is just plain crazy. Way too much. At least your other doctor knocked it down to .5mg BIW, however I still think this is overdosing you, and causing your E2 to crash. That's why a sensitive E2 lab result would help paint a more complete picture here.

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I agree .25 2x a week is more reasonable splitting the testosterone dose should help and using 27-30GA 1/2 long insulin syringes will be a lifesaver make sure your estrogen is being tested using the sensitive test. The normal one for women will over estimate your estrogen, you can have it tested yourself here http://www.discountedlabs.com/estradiol-sensitive-lc-ms-ms/

billyjr said:

Currently on 200 Text Cyp, 1 shot a week. Was originally prescribed Anastrozole because my nipples became sensitive, they grew, and i was sweating all the time. I was prescribed 1mg every other day. However went to my GC and she said to reduce it to .5mg 2x a week.

I have started having joint pain in my fingers on both hands (very strange). its between my thumb and pointer fingers. I also see that my nipples definitely grew. They were always small, but definitely got bigger. I am also starting to have very low libido. I have been on this protocol for 2 months now, and had blood work done and they said my Estrogen was in the normal level.

Anyone have any idea whats going on? Am i taking too much/not enough?

I have been on TRT since March 2016 and was really feeling good in the beginning, but now feel I am in a funk, any suggestions?

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We need lab numbers, the test value and the lab range(s). You're Dr's use of Cyp, and especially Anastrozole, is wreckless and is doing you no favors.

Jackie Treehorn said:

Post up your most current labs please.

IMHO, 200mg of Test in a single injection, once a week isn't optimal. You should be breaking that up into a 100mg injection every 3.5 days for starters. Less aromatization.

Your anastrozole dosage (at 1mg EOD) is just plain crazy. Way too much. At least your other doctor knocked it down to .5mg BIW, however I still think this is overdosing you, and causing your E2 to crash. That's why a sensitive E2 lab result would help paint a more complete picture here.

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I prefer to do the injections 1x a week due to due to the fact that I don't love needles and the pain. Right now they supplied me with 23 gauge needles and I'm doing all injections in the glute. Most of my early symptoms ( nipple sensitivity and growth) have completely diminished. I still seem to be sweating a lot, not sure if that is a typical side effect of Test Cyp or not. I'm going to call my GC for a copy of the last blood work

Vince Carter said:

We need lab numbers, the test value and the lab range(s). You're Dr's use of Cyp, and especially Anastrozole, is wreckless and is doing you no favors.

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Is there something wrong with using Test Cyp? I thought that was very common

PAUL-E said:

I agree .25 2x a week is more reasonable splitting the testosterone dose should help and using 27-30GA 1/2 long insulin syringes will be a lifesaver make sure your estrogen is being tested using the sensitive test. The normal one for women will over estimate your estrogen, you can have it tested yourself here http://www.discountedlabs.com/estradiol-sensitive-lc-ms-ms/

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Does it make a big difference going from 1 inch to 1/2 inch needles? Will it still be effective?

billyjr said:

Does it make a big difference going from 1 inch to 1/2 inch needles? Will it still be effective?

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if you compare an insulin syringe to your 23ga 1" needle you will instantly know why the insulin is better

billyjr said:

Is there something wrong with using Test Cyp? I thought that was very common

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Vince Carter is criticizing your doctor's USE of cyp, not the drug itself. You are on a less than optimal protocol, ok, let me be frank, you are not receiving the care you deserve. You doctor sends you out with a whopping, upper-end of the scale prescription of testosterone, to inject on a schedule that is likely going to lead to problems. On top of this, you are told to take Anastrozole - at a dose that is excessive. And, by the way, use a needle that could spear a sting-ray.

None ne of this is your fault, but all of it is working against you. Please post your labs, that will generate further discussion. And consider a new doctor.

CoastWatcher said:

Vince Carter is criticizing your doctor's USE of cyp, not the drug itself. You are on a less than optimal protocol, ok, let me be frank, you are not receiving the care you deserve. You doctor sends you out with a whopping, upper-end of the scale prescription of testosterone, to inject on a schedule that is likely going to lead to problems. On top of this, you are told to take Anastrozole - at a dose that is excessive. And, by the way, use a needle that could spear a sting-ray.

None ne of this is your fault, but all of it is working against you. Please post your labs, that will generate further discussion. And consider a new doctor.

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Maybe I should just call Defy. Do I have to personally see them if I'm out of state? I can't find a good doctor in New York

billyjr said:

Maybe I should just call Defy. Do I have to personally see them if I'm out of state? I can't find a good doctor in New York

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you can do it over the phone call them and ask about the process, they're friendly.

CoastWatcher said:

Vince Carter is criticizing your doctor's USE of cyp, not the drug itself. You are on a less than optimal protocol, ok, let me be frank, you are not receiving the care you deserve. You doctor sends you out with a whopping, upper-end of the scale prescription of testosterone, to inject on a schedule that is likely going to lead to problems. On top of this, you are told to take Anastrozole - at a dose that is excessive. And, by the way, use a needle that could spear a sting-ray.

None ne of this is your fault, but all of it is working against you. Please post your labs, that will generate further discussion. And consider a new doctor.

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Thank you, Sir!

billyjr said:

I prefer to do the injections 1x a week due to due to the fact that I don't love needles and the pain. Right now they supplied me with 23 gauge needles and I'm doing all injections in the glute. Most of my early symptoms ( nipple sensitivity and growth) have completely diminished. I still seem to be sweating a lot, not sure if that is a typical side effect of Test Cyp or not. I'm going to call my GC for a copy of the last blood work

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Dude, you're killing me.

First off...if you want to continue to blast 200mg of test in a single injection with a harpoon in your ass, then be my guest.

If you want to be comfortable, have less aromatization, and possibly do away with the anastrozole, then do the following:

1. Switch to an every 3.5 day injection schedule of 100mg.
2. Ditch the harpoon, and use a 1/2"/29 or 27ga insulin pin instead. Inject into your quads or delts. The only reason you should be using a harpoon is to reconstitute a vial of HCG with Bac Stat water.

Buy your insulin pins here...they're cheap, and shipping is free: https://www.easytouchstore.com/easy-touch-insulin-syringes?pagenumber=3

Please post up your blood work when you get it.

If you want to enhance this whole experience with a doctor that knows what the hell he is doing, then call Defy Medical.

Jackie Treehorn said:

Dude, you're killing me.

First off...if you want to continue to blast 200mg of test in a single injection with a harpoon in your ass, then be my guest.

If you want to be comfortable, have less aromatization, and possibly do away with the anastrozole, then do the following:

1. Switch to an every 3.5 day injection schedule of 100mg.
2. Ditch the harpoon, and use a 1/2"/29 or 27ga insulin pin instead. Inject into your quads or delts. The only reason you should be using a harpoon is to reconstitute a vial of HCG with Bac Stat water.

Buy your insulin pins here...they're cheap, and shipping is free: https://www.easytouchstore.com/easy-touch-insulin-syringes?pagenumber=3

Please post up your blood work when you get it.

If you want to enhance this whole experience with a doctor that knows what the hell he is doing, then call Defy Medical.

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1/27/16:
Before starting anything:
Test Free: 153.20ng/dL [348-1197]
Free Total: 5.8 [8.7 - 25.1]

2/10/16:
Pre-Anything [GC just doing yearly physical]
TSH: 1.040 [.450-4.500 uIU/mL]

2/24/16:
Pre-Anything [1st Urologist testing - guy didn't have a clue, eventually gave me 400 test E 1 shot a month]
LH: 3.1 [1.7-8.6 mIU/mL]
FSH: 2.8 [1.5-12.4 mIU/mL]
Prolactin: 13.5 [4.0 - 15.2 ng/mL]
Test: 291 [348 - 1197 ng/dL]
Free Test (Direct): 15.3 [8.7 - 25.1 pg/mL]

4/6/16:
After 1 shot of 400 Test E from the Idiot Urologist] Test taken 10 days after shot:
Test: 802 [348 - 1197 ng/dL]

5/4/16:
GC Re-Testing: (This is after 14 days after my 2nd 400 Test E Shot from the Urologist, no Anastrozole involvement yet, this is when i was experiencing Nipple Sensitivity]
Estrogens, Total: 142 [40-115 pg/mL]
TSH: 1.67 [.27 - 4.20 uIU/mL]
Testosterone: 482 [348-1197 ng/dL]
Free T: 24.7 [8.7-25.1]

6/8/16 [waiting to get back results, GC just retesting Estrogen/Test, they said the results are "normal", im going to request a copy tomorrow

Going to call Defy this week

billyjr said:

2/24/16:
Pre-Anything [1st Urologist testing - guy didn't have a clue, eventually gave me 400 test E 1 shot a month]
LH: 3.1 [1.7-8.6 mIU/mL]
FSH: 2.8 [1.5-12.4 mIU/mL]
Prolactin: 13.5 [4.0 - 15.2 ng/mL]
Test: 291 [348 - 1197 ng/dL]
Free Test (Direct): 15.3 [8.7 - 25.1 pg/mL]

4/6/16:
After 1 shot of 400 Test E from the Idiot Urologist] Test taken 10 days after shot:
Test: 802 [348 - 1197 ng/dL]

5/4/16:
GC Re-Testing: (This is after 14 days after my 2nd 400 Test E Shot from the Urologist, no Anastrozole involvement yet, this is when i was experiencing Nipple Sensitivity]
Estrogens, Total: 142 [40-115 pg/mL]
TSH: 1.67 [.27 - 4.20 uIU/mL]
Testosterone: 482 [348-1197 ng/dL]
Free T: 24.7 [8.7-25.1]

6/8/16 [waiting to get back results, GC just retesting Estrogen/Test, they said the results are "normal", im going to request a copy tomorrow

Going to call Defy this week

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Jesus, Mary, and Joseph...you have my sympathy man.

The Urologist giving you 400mg injections of test once a month is committing malpractice, IMHO. Run away from this incompetent boob at a high rate of speed. He is 100% clueless with regard to the subject of TRT.

What did you general practitioner say when he saw you estrogen level at 142? On the second set of labs on June 8, I would have asked the good doctor to define "normal" with an exact number.

Billy,

You are a classic case (and we get a lot of them here) of a guy suffering because of sub-standard medical care. You are in desperate need of Defy Medical's services. You won't be sorry that you did.

Jackie Treehorn said:

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph...you have my sympathy man.

The Urologist giving you 400mg injections of test once a month is committing malpractice, IMHO. Run away from this incompetent boob at a high rate of speed. He is 100% clueless with regard to the subject of TRT.

What did you general practitioner say when he saw you estrogen level at 142? On the second set of labs on June 8, I would have asked the good doctor to define "normal" with an exact number.

Billy,

You are a classic case (and we get a lot of there here) of a guy suffering because of sub-standard medical care. You are in desperate need of Defy Medical's services. You won't be sorry that you did.

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Yeah I don't go to that Urologist anymore, I go to a specialist who prescribes me the 200 Test Cyp per week, he also prescribed me the anastrozole. So it got a little better, but not nearly as much. Im still going to call Defy this week.

Gauge Length Best Use

14 ga Perc biopsy of testicular tissue, insert directly in to testis. Also used for surgical sperm removal ( rarely).

18,19,20 ga 1-1/2 Heavy S& M or FNA. Fine needle aspiration for sampling intratesticular fluid
http://www.ajandrology.com/article....olume=18;issue=1;spage=21;epage=24;aulast=Lee

22-23 ga 1-1/2 Heavy S & M sub showing minor improvement

25 ga S & M for beginners, rewarding advanced subs for obedience

27 1-1/4 very popular for rapid steroid delivery to glut

27, 28 insulin sub Q steroid or rarely hCG injection

29-31 insulin sub Q hCG or painfully slow steroid uptake and delivery

29,30,31 x 1 hCG, Lypo-C to glut

Warning: Sciatic nerve damage is a serious risk factor in all glut injections.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/551320_3

BDSM Safety: Only highly trained players familiar with anatomy should consider gauges below 25 for BDSM if penetration is other than cutaneous ( piecing ). If your MD is using a gauge below 25 on you ask for his certificate of completion of a recognized BDSM safety course.

Re-Ride said:

Gauge Length Best Use

14 ga Perc biopsy of testicular tissue, insert directly in to testis. Also used for surgical sperm removal ( rarely).

18,19,20 ga 1-1/2 Heavy S& M or FNA. Fine needle aspiration for sampling intratesticular fluid
http://www.ajandrology.com/article....olume=18;issue=1;spage=21;epage=24;aulast=Lee

22-23 ga 1-1/2 Heavy S & M sub showing minor improvement

25 ga S & M for beginners, rewarding advanced subs for obedience

27 1-1/4 very popular for rapid steroid delivery to glut

27, 28 insulin sub Q steroid or rarely hCG injection

29-31 insulin sub Q hCG or painfully slow steroid uptake and delivery

29,30,31 x 1 hCG, Lypo-C to glut

Warning: Sciatic nerve damage is a serious risk factor in all glut injections.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/551320_3

BDSM Safety: Only highly trained players familiar with anatomy should consider gauges below 25 for BDSM if penetration is other than cutaneous ( piecing ). If your MD is using a gauge below 25 on you ask for his certificate of completion of a recognized BDSM safety course.

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Thank you for the helpful info. I will try to find a 27 gauge 1 inch needle!