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<blockquote data-quote="BigTex" data-source="post: 278466" data-attributes="member: 43589"><p>Live and let live Madman. Thank goodness the whole world is not like you and the rest of us feel free to take a different paths in life. Lots of professions include putting your life on the line and lots are willing to do the job. Most all of my family served in the military in war times and made very little money risking their life. Just because you choose not to go that route doesn't mean it is wrong for others yet you pass judgement? How about those steal workers who build skyscrapers? </p><p></p><p>Now ask yourself Madman, why is it so many pro-bodybuilders eat huge amounts of protein? Dorian Yates....since you brought him up. I speak to him when he comes to Houston every year at the Branch Warren Classic. Dorian aimed for <strong>1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight</strong>, which means he was eating over 400 grams of protein in the offseason. Far from what you posted isn't it? Maybe interviews aren't so true. I once said in an interview that I was drug free and got strong by eating. Everyone I trained with laughed. My friend who has benched over 1100lbs says he is drug free. Hulk Hogan said he just takes vitamins. Anyway Yates took in FAR over the Canadian recommendations of 1.6g/kg/bw. Phil Heath (7 x Olympia)...3.25g/lb/bw. Ronnie Coleman(8 x Olympia) <strong>546 grams of protein each day, about 2g/lb/bw. </strong> Jay Cutler about the same. Dexter Jackson 400g/d. Mamdouh Elssbia about 500g/d. Why is it all of these WINNERS all eat high amounts of protein Madman. Despite YOU and a the Canadian PhD, claiming they are wasting their time and money? Again, maybe science should quit wasting their time telling WINNERS in sport what they are doing is wrong and find out what they get results from doing what they do. </p><p></p><p>Wasting money of protein supplements? I spend maybe $300--$400 every year of my life. I would rather spend that money than spend $35 on a ribeye steak. Dollar for dollar, I come out way ahead financially buying protein rather than getting ripped off by the mean industry. Fish is way over priced, chicken is ridiculous as it pork. </p><p></p><p>Madman, you live in a self-righteous world were you justify your use of anabolic steroids while you criticize others who have their own justifications. Whether you like it or not, anabolic steroids have been a big part of sports for several decades. Name the sport and you have the best who are using some kind of PED. Most are smart enough to get around the best of drug testing.</p><p></p><p>When the amount to money and fame you can get from being the best in sport is so high, MOST will do what ever it take to win. That the object of ALL sports. The "fake ass chemically enhanced builds" you criticize, whether you like it or not have made the fitness industry what it is today. The popularity of the fitness industry is working hard to change the sedentary lifestyles all over the world that have lead to so many diseases. his popularity got started by the few chemically enhanced, protein eaters back as far as the ancient Greeks. Not sure how old you are but I started out working out in a old chicken shed in the 70's and still remember when women were not allowed in gyms. We did not lift weight in high school sports because they made you bulky. Of course the biggest guy on the field was not much over 200lbs. Take a look at any sport. Athletes are bigger, stronger and faster that they were 50 years ago. Diet, training, and drugs.</p><p></p><p>Now coming from a guy who was one of the best in his sport and also well involved in exercise science and sports nutrition industry, what I despise the most is these PhD's that tell athletes that they don't have a clue what they are doing because their research shows they are wrong. Yet athletes keep doing what the do and win. These guys who You put on such a high pedestal need to take off their self-righteous white coats long enough to find out why the best in any sport get the results they do. We don't know near as much as YOU and some Phd's think we know about why the body works the way it does. In fact, after all of these years, the sliding filament theory is still just a theory.</p><p></p><p>Why is it for 1000's of years the best athletes have always consumed huge amounts of protein? Despite that, the last 50 years nutritionists and scientist keep saying they are wrong? I was told by my nutrition professor creatine would kill you. Yet, 40 years later I am still using it. Another PHd. told me protein supplements were not food. Obviously she didn't know how protein is made. I grew up on a farm so I know well. Same people who pushed the food guild pyramid off on us and told us high protein would shut down your kidneys, eat high carbs, now we have a country of fat slobs. Is it little wonder why ATHLETES quit listening? We were told by Phd's that anabolic steroids would not enhance athletics. Yet athletes keep doing them anyway. We were also told that steroids kill. Why is it athletes keep doing large amounts of anabolic steroids and stay healthy despite people like YOU saying it can't be done.</p><p></p><p>My wife who was national champion and pro-bodybuilder and has done anabolic steroids for over 3 decades just got a huge exam both cardiorespiratory and vascular. The results as written by the team of doctors, described her as exceptionally HEALTHY. Absolutely no problem with the lungs, vascular system or heart. Despite her team doctor in Argentina putting her on doses of anabolic steroids that most men don't do, despite the continued use for over 3 decades, despite the consumption of huge amounts of protein, she is extremally healthy for a woman of 61 years. I know so many other ex-pros athletes who fit the same profile. The biggest problem most high level athletes have is the damage they do to their body structurally from years of hard training. </p><p></p><p>I have a hard time trying to figure out why you are so critical of other's views. You also have been very outspoken against medical doctors who also don't preach what you preach, even highly published urologist who put many of their patients on higher doses of anabolic steroids. Have you ever been an athlete? Ever published research? Are you a medical doctor? What exactly are your qualifications? I have absolutely no problem listing mine. What gives you the right to be so critical of others and pass judgement? Seems your options are just as good or bad as anyone here. Try to not get so personal with your defense of other peoples research. I have been highly involve in board like this since the early 90 when USENET was popular and its sad to see a guy who posts so much research and is a moderator of the board get abusive with the people who come here to learn. </p><p></p><p><strong>"garbage ass supplements/so called T-boosters in the hopes of packing on muscle!"</strong></p><p></p><p>Really Madman, who takes T-boosters? Lots of pro-bodybuilder make huge amounts of money repping for supplement companies. Only an idiots believes everything they see advertised. Its a job. Unfortunately, I never got the chance to rep supplements because no one is interested in seeing a 290lb powerlifter on a supplement. But the money is good. So what's the problem? Pro sports are jobs. These guys in all professional sports are in it to make money. Tire companies used pro NASCAR and drag to do research on the tires we use on our cars. They value the opinions and ideas being used in pro sports. Yet YOU turn a blind eye to what PRO's in bodybuilding are doing. These guys are experts in diet and experts in training for hypertrophy. Yet they are clowns? </p><p></p><p><strong>"Pull the plug on those artificially inflated T levels and all you have left is what we call the incredible shrinking so called MAN!"</strong></p><p></p><p>So your TRT test level is not artificial? I know mine is because I inject TU to get the levels I have. At 68 years old my NATURAL levels would be far less as your would be. Now granted I am not as strong as I was or as big as I was using 250mg of TE but incredible shrinking man I was not. I dropped from 290 to 240 because I quit eating 10,000cal/d and quit lifting heavy weight. My numbers in sport got where they were because of years worth the incredibly hard work and dedication. I did not go to parties when I was young, dated little because while most were out, I was in the gym, while most were on dates, I was competing. My wife and I spent our honeymoon in the gym because I had a contest to get ready for. Shrink Madman.....I still weight over 240lb and have a bodyfat under 10%. Not sure what plug was pulled. I never knew on professional in any sport that did not believe the AAS they took helped. That is why so many have learned through years of trial and error what works with their genetics. Madman, it is obvious you know little about athletes.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>"Sad fucking society we live in."</strong></p><p></p><p>Really? Just because we have the freedom to make choices that YOU don't agree with?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BigTex, post: 278466, member: 43589"] Live and let live Madman. Thank goodness the whole world is not like you and the rest of us feel free to take a different paths in life. Lots of professions include putting your life on the line and lots are willing to do the job. Most all of my family served in the military in war times and made very little money risking their life. Just because you choose not to go that route doesn't mean it is wrong for others yet you pass judgement? How about those steal workers who build skyscrapers? Now ask yourself Madman, why is it so many pro-bodybuilders eat huge amounts of protein? Dorian Yates....since you brought him up. I speak to him when he comes to Houston every year at the Branch Warren Classic. Dorian aimed for [B]1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight[/B], which means he was eating over 400 grams of protein in the offseason. Far from what you posted isn't it? Maybe interviews aren't so true. I once said in an interview that I was drug free and got strong by eating. Everyone I trained with laughed. My friend who has benched over 1100lbs says he is drug free. Hulk Hogan said he just takes vitamins. Anyway Yates took in FAR over the Canadian recommendations of 1.6g/kg/bw. Phil Heath (7 x Olympia)...3.25g/lb/bw. Ronnie Coleman(8 x Olympia) [B]546 grams of protein each day, about 2g/lb/bw. [/B] Jay Cutler about the same. Dexter Jackson 400g/d. Mamdouh Elssbia about 500g/d. Why is it all of these WINNERS all eat high amounts of protein Madman. Despite YOU and a the Canadian PhD, claiming they are wasting their time and money? Again, maybe science should quit wasting their time telling WINNERS in sport what they are doing is wrong and find out what they get results from doing what they do. Wasting money of protein supplements? I spend maybe $300--$400 every year of my life. I would rather spend that money than spend $35 on a ribeye steak. Dollar for dollar, I come out way ahead financially buying protein rather than getting ripped off by the mean industry. Fish is way over priced, chicken is ridiculous as it pork. Madman, you live in a self-righteous world were you justify your use of anabolic steroids while you criticize others who have their own justifications. Whether you like it or not, anabolic steroids have been a big part of sports for several decades. Name the sport and you have the best who are using some kind of PED. Most are smart enough to get around the best of drug testing. When the amount to money and fame you can get from being the best in sport is so high, MOST will do what ever it take to win. That the object of ALL sports. The "fake ass chemically enhanced builds" you criticize, whether you like it or not have made the fitness industry what it is today. The popularity of the fitness industry is working hard to change the sedentary lifestyles all over the world that have lead to so many diseases. his popularity got started by the few chemically enhanced, protein eaters back as far as the ancient Greeks. Not sure how old you are but I started out working out in a old chicken shed in the 70's and still remember when women were not allowed in gyms. We did not lift weight in high school sports because they made you bulky. Of course the biggest guy on the field was not much over 200lbs. Take a look at any sport. Athletes are bigger, stronger and faster that they were 50 years ago. Diet, training, and drugs. Now coming from a guy who was one of the best in his sport and also well involved in exercise science and sports nutrition industry, what I despise the most is these PhD's that tell athletes that they don't have a clue what they are doing because their research shows they are wrong. Yet athletes keep doing what the do and win. These guys who You put on such a high pedestal need to take off their self-righteous white coats long enough to find out why the best in any sport get the results they do. We don't know near as much as YOU and some Phd's think we know about why the body works the way it does. In fact, after all of these years, the sliding filament theory is still just a theory. Why is it for 1000's of years the best athletes have always consumed huge amounts of protein? Despite that, the last 50 years nutritionists and scientist keep saying they are wrong? I was told by my nutrition professor creatine would kill you. Yet, 40 years later I am still using it. Another PHd. told me protein supplements were not food. Obviously she didn't know how protein is made. I grew up on a farm so I know well. Same people who pushed the food guild pyramid off on us and told us high protein would shut down your kidneys, eat high carbs, now we have a country of fat slobs. Is it little wonder why ATHLETES quit listening? We were told by Phd's that anabolic steroids would not enhance athletics. Yet athletes keep doing them anyway. We were also told that steroids kill. Why is it athletes keep doing large amounts of anabolic steroids and stay healthy despite people like YOU saying it can't be done. My wife who was national champion and pro-bodybuilder and has done anabolic steroids for over 3 decades just got a huge exam both cardiorespiratory and vascular. The results as written by the team of doctors, described her as exceptionally HEALTHY. Absolutely no problem with the lungs, vascular system or heart. Despite her team doctor in Argentina putting her on doses of anabolic steroids that most men don't do, despite the continued use for over 3 decades, despite the consumption of huge amounts of protein, she is extremally healthy for a woman of 61 years. I know so many other ex-pros athletes who fit the same profile. The biggest problem most high level athletes have is the damage they do to their body structurally from years of hard training. I have a hard time trying to figure out why you are so critical of other's views. You also have been very outspoken against medical doctors who also don't preach what you preach, even highly published urologist who put many of their patients on higher doses of anabolic steroids. Have you ever been an athlete? Ever published research? Are you a medical doctor? What exactly are your qualifications? I have absolutely no problem listing mine. What gives you the right to be so critical of others and pass judgement? Seems your options are just as good or bad as anyone here. Try to not get so personal with your defense of other peoples research. I have been highly involve in board like this since the early 90 when USENET was popular and its sad to see a guy who posts so much research and is a moderator of the board get abusive with the people who come here to learn. [B]"garbage ass supplements/so called T-boosters in the hopes of packing on muscle!"[/B] Really Madman, who takes T-boosters? Lots of pro-bodybuilder make huge amounts of money repping for supplement companies. Only an idiots believes everything they see advertised. Its a job. Unfortunately, I never got the chance to rep supplements because no one is interested in seeing a 290lb powerlifter on a supplement. But the money is good. So what's the problem? Pro sports are jobs. These guys in all professional sports are in it to make money. Tire companies used pro NASCAR and drag to do research on the tires we use on our cars. They value the opinions and ideas being used in pro sports. Yet YOU turn a blind eye to what PRO's in bodybuilding are doing. These guys are experts in diet and experts in training for hypertrophy. Yet they are clowns? [B]"Pull the plug on those artificially inflated T levels and all you have left is what we call the incredible shrinking so called MAN!"[/B] So your TRT test level is not artificial? I know mine is because I inject TU to get the levels I have. At 68 years old my NATURAL levels would be far less as your would be. Now granted I am not as strong as I was or as big as I was using 250mg of TE but incredible shrinking man I was not. I dropped from 290 to 240 because I quit eating 10,000cal/d and quit lifting heavy weight. My numbers in sport got where they were because of years worth the incredibly hard work and dedication. I did not go to parties when I was young, dated little because while most were out, I was in the gym, while most were on dates, I was competing. My wife and I spent our honeymoon in the gym because I had a contest to get ready for. Shrink Madman.....I still weight over 240lb and have a bodyfat under 10%. Not sure what plug was pulled. I never knew on professional in any sport that did not believe the AAS they took helped. That is why so many have learned through years of trial and error what works with their genetics. Madman, it is obvious you know little about athletes. [B] "Sad fucking society we live in."[/B] Really? Just because we have the freedom to make choices that YOU don't agree with? [/QUOTE]
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