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Low dose enclomiphene combined with Low dose TRT
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<blockquote data-quote="aneuman" data-source="post: 258685" data-attributes="member: 43264"><p>[USER=40205]@UCFguy01[/USER]</p><p></p><p>Just so you have a bit more information, some studies show that LH doesn't start to get suppressed with exogenous testosterone until you get to above 5mg testosterone per day. That's exactly what you're planning to use (assuming you are using T.C or T.E). so that means that you should have a functioning H-P which should allow E.C to still produce and effect.</p><p></p><p>My only concern would be with potentially other estrogen receptors that are blocked by E.C in addition to H-P. If there's none, or if the effect of the blockade is minimal (since E.C has a half life of 7-10 hours), or if the balance produces an overall positive effects, then it might work.</p><p></p><p>From my standpoint, TC is about $23 a month (for 100 mg a week @ 200mg/ml) and EC is about $162 for 90 pills, that would be about $20/month, so your treatment would cost me less than $50/month which is much cheaper than everything I've tried so far (EC every day, HCG, etc) IF it ended up having the desired benefits you're seeking, which are libido, sensitivity, arousal, and Peter North like shots, etc :-D</p><p></p><p>From the cost/benefits point of view:</p><p></p><p>Pros:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">As close to normal, physiological levels for all (or most) hormones)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">No Pituitary or testicular atrophy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">No refrigeration</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Easy to use IM/SQ, small volume</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Easy schedule (M-W-F, with potentially Thu for the second T.Cyp injection</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Relatively cheap compared to alternatives</li> </ol><p>Cons:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">More moving parts, more difficult to dial in</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">More dependencies (shortages, supply, etc)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">More side effects due to changing multiple variables</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Potentially misleading E2 levels in bloodwork</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">More unknowns, particularly long term (brain, liver, skin, ...?)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">More expensive than T alone</li> </ol><p>I'd be interested in following your experiment, so I'd appreciate if you posted back to the group with your results.</p><p></p><p>Enjoy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aneuman, post: 258685, member: 43264"] [USER=40205]@UCFguy01[/USER] Just so you have a bit more information, some studies show that LH doesn't start to get suppressed with exogenous testosterone until you get to above 5mg testosterone per day. That's exactly what you're planning to use (assuming you are using T.C or T.E). so that means that you should have a functioning H-P which should allow E.C to still produce and effect. My only concern would be with potentially other estrogen receptors that are blocked by E.C in addition to H-P. If there's none, or if the effect of the blockade is minimal (since E.C has a half life of 7-10 hours), or if the balance produces an overall positive effects, then it might work. From my standpoint, TC is about $23 a month (for 100 mg a week @ 200mg/ml) and EC is about $162 for 90 pills, that would be about $20/month, so your treatment would cost me less than $50/month which is much cheaper than everything I've tried so far (EC every day, HCG, etc) IF it ended up having the desired benefits you're seeking, which are libido, sensitivity, arousal, and Peter North like shots, etc :-D From the cost/benefits point of view: Pros: [LIST=1] [*]As close to normal, physiological levels for all (or most) hormones) [*]No Pituitary or testicular atrophy [*]No refrigeration [*]Easy to use IM/SQ, small volume [*]Easy schedule (M-W-F, with potentially Thu for the second T.Cyp injection [*]Relatively cheap compared to alternatives [/LIST] Cons: [LIST=1] [*]More moving parts, more difficult to dial in [*]More dependencies (shortages, supply, etc) [*]More side effects due to changing multiple variables [*]Potentially misleading E2 levels in bloodwork [*]More unknowns, particularly long term (brain, liver, skin, ...?) [*]More expensive than T alone [/LIST] I'd be interested in following your experiment, so I'd appreciate if you posted back to the group with your results. Enjoy. [/QUOTE]
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