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<blockquote data-quote="Vettester Chris" data-source="post: 11386" data-attributes="member: 696"><p>Joe, I'm just a little confused on your post, regarding the part about the testicles shutting down production (?). I presume you were shutdown, or suppressed going into your TRT program? If your diagnosis was "secondary", then a good chance your gonadotropin (LH, FSH) values were low? When you start TRT your LH will go even lower. E.g., it's normal to see a male with hypogonadism having LH in the 1.5 to 3.0 range, causing testosterone serum to be in the 200ng/dl to 300ng/dl range. Starting TRT will increase the serum level, but it's quite common to see LH drop < 1.0.</p><p></p><p>Yes on the HCG contributing to your serum increase "if" you're secondary. The amount of increase just depends on the status of your Leydig cells and testicular responsiveness to the LH analogue. It will be different for each guy. For me, 250iu x 3/wk of HCG<u> combined with</u> 120mg/wk of test cypionate will achieve approx. the same serum level as if I were on 200mg per week of cypionate <u>by iteself. </u>That's a 40% reduction in cypionate to achieve approx. the same serum results. Again, this will vary with each patient, and I would highly encourage several follow lab intervals to get your protocol dialed in correctly.</p><p></p><p>Whether your serum level should come down or not is a call for you and your doctor to make. 1052 isn't outrageously high. On another note, your free test is at 1.8%. You probably have a little room to get your SHBG down a bit, which in turn could increase your free & bio available test. This is really the number that matters when looking at it from a biological standpoint. 19 IMO is a good place to be on free test. Being 1.8% of serum value tells me that you can maybe refine a few areas (like SHBG), maybe look at your Vitamin D level, E2, and other variables related to the endocrine system, and if your FT% can get to 2.0-2.5 range you can adjust your protocol accordingly for total serum.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vettester Chris, post: 11386, member: 696"] Joe, I'm just a little confused on your post, regarding the part about the testicles shutting down production (?). I presume you were shutdown, or suppressed going into your TRT program? If your diagnosis was "secondary", then a good chance your gonadotropin (LH, FSH) values were low? When you start TRT your LH will go even lower. E.g., it's normal to see a male with hypogonadism having LH in the 1.5 to 3.0 range, causing testosterone serum to be in the 200ng/dl to 300ng/dl range. Starting TRT will increase the serum level, but it's quite common to see LH drop < 1.0. Yes on the HCG contributing to your serum increase "if" you're secondary. The amount of increase just depends on the status of your Leydig cells and testicular responsiveness to the LH analogue. It will be different for each guy. For me, 250iu x 3/wk of HCG[U] combined with[/U] 120mg/wk of test cypionate will achieve approx. the same serum level as if I were on 200mg per week of cypionate [U]by iteself. [/U]That's a 40% reduction in cypionate to achieve approx. the same serum results. Again, this will vary with each patient, and I would highly encourage several follow lab intervals to get your protocol dialed in correctly. Whether your serum level should come down or not is a call for you and your doctor to make. 1052 isn't outrageously high. On another note, your free test is at 1.8%. You probably have a little room to get your SHBG down a bit, which in turn could increase your free & bio available test. This is really the number that matters when looking at it from a biological standpoint. 19 IMO is a good place to be on free test. Being 1.8% of serum value tells me that you can maybe refine a few areas (like SHBG), maybe look at your Vitamin D level, E2, and other variables related to the endocrine system, and if your FT% can get to 2.0-2.5 range you can adjust your protocol accordingly for total serum. [/QUOTE]
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