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Thyroid, Pregnenolone, Progesterone, DHEA, etc
Thyroid, DHEA, Pregnenolone, Progesterone, etc
DHEA + AI instead of TRT / Marcus Gitterle
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<blockquote data-quote="Shawn" data-source="post: 277796" data-attributes="member: 15946"><p>Yes that theory does in fact sound plausible. just like with TRT, dosing is critical. if i had to go back on HRT, i couldn't use more than 20mg test enanthate in one shot every other day, better 10mg daily. this results in very little conversion. i believe the same holds true to DHEA.</p><p></p><p>i've read too many accounts where men give up on DHEA because they noticed too many side effects from it, all the side effects of downstream metabolites of testosterone itself. even from women. they are the common: hair loss, aggression, acne, the feeling of being stimulated (these are the DHT ones) and for men, the estrogen, we all know about them.</p><p></p><p>i believe that if people understood the mechanism of how dosing is more important than anything, they would re-attempt. if you have low DHEA, you have to use DHEA, there is no "i couldn't tolerate it" philosophy. either they are on too much or getting too much of the downstream metabolic conversion into DHT and estrogen.</p><p></p><p>personally, my estrogen is low. if i dont use deer antler, it falls below the bottom range. i eat all organic because this country's food industry sucks. you have to spend a lot of money just to eat what other countries have as normal. if you eat conventional meat or chicken, it will increase estrogen and some natural organic foods just have a lot of estrogen in it by default such as coconut oil, flaxseeds, avocados, etc i avoid these foods for that reason.</p><p></p><p>for this reason, I'll avoid using an AI as much as possible since it isn't very healthy. i'll have to see if i truly need to use an AI while on it because I plan to use the Douglas Labs brand because I heard that is the closest to pharm grade but I may opt to just get a real script instead just to be sure my dose is correct. this brand is not available in stores. It must be ordered online so not exactly "OTC". This brand doses them very low at 5mg sublingually and I'm going to start at 1.25mg (1/4 of the pill) mid-afternoon. i also don't weigh a lot and am highly sensitive (and a great responder) to just about any herb or drug out there.</p><p></p><p>I read you do not want to use DHEA early because it will reduce cortisol. they seem to oppose each other. if you do take it early and get fatigued or tired, its lowering cortisol too much. cortisol is higher in the morning and low in the evenings. some men use DHEA at night before bed but others just can't sleep if they do that. you'll need to find your sweet spot. me too.</p><p></p><p>I forgot to mention another imporant component. He states he hasn't met anyone who didn't reach optimum testosterone levels given this protocol is followed as advised. However, only some of the testosterone men produce comes from DHEA. The majority of it is in fact produced by the testes. For women, 100% of their testosterone is produced from DHEA. This is why I'd like to find more of his patients who follow this regimen because I don't believe it's true but I hope it is because it would solve all my problems.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shawn, post: 277796, member: 15946"] Yes that theory does in fact sound plausible. just like with TRT, dosing is critical. if i had to go back on HRT, i couldn't use more than 20mg test enanthate in one shot every other day, better 10mg daily. this results in very little conversion. i believe the same holds true to DHEA. i've read too many accounts where men give up on DHEA because they noticed too many side effects from it, all the side effects of downstream metabolites of testosterone itself. even from women. they are the common: hair loss, aggression, acne, the feeling of being stimulated (these are the DHT ones) and for men, the estrogen, we all know about them. i believe that if people understood the mechanism of how dosing is more important than anything, they would re-attempt. if you have low DHEA, you have to use DHEA, there is no "i couldn't tolerate it" philosophy. either they are on too much or getting too much of the downstream metabolic conversion into DHT and estrogen. personally, my estrogen is low. if i dont use deer antler, it falls below the bottom range. i eat all organic because this country's food industry sucks. you have to spend a lot of money just to eat what other countries have as normal. if you eat conventional meat or chicken, it will increase estrogen and some natural organic foods just have a lot of estrogen in it by default such as coconut oil, flaxseeds, avocados, etc i avoid these foods for that reason. for this reason, I'll avoid using an AI as much as possible since it isn't very healthy. i'll have to see if i truly need to use an AI while on it because I plan to use the Douglas Labs brand because I heard that is the closest to pharm grade but I may opt to just get a real script instead just to be sure my dose is correct. this brand is not available in stores. It must be ordered online so not exactly "OTC". This brand doses them very low at 5mg sublingually and I'm going to start at 1.25mg (1/4 of the pill) mid-afternoon. i also don't weigh a lot and am highly sensitive (and a great responder) to just about any herb or drug out there. I read you do not want to use DHEA early because it will reduce cortisol. they seem to oppose each other. if you do take it early and get fatigued or tired, its lowering cortisol too much. cortisol is higher in the morning and low in the evenings. some men use DHEA at night before bed but others just can't sleep if they do that. you'll need to find your sweet spot. me too. I forgot to mention another imporant component. He states he hasn't met anyone who didn't reach optimum testosterone levels given this protocol is followed as advised. However, only some of the testosterone men produce comes from DHEA. The majority of it is in fact produced by the testes. For women, 100% of their testosterone is produced from DHEA. This is why I'd like to find more of his patients who follow this regimen because I don't believe it's true but I hope it is because it would solve all my problems. [/QUOTE]
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Thyroid, Pregnenolone, Progesterone, DHEA, etc
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DHEA + AI instead of TRT / Marcus Gitterle
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