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ha ha, nice one! Yeah the very first time I ever took, I got a hard-on in the nurses office and it wasn't because of the nurse! he he so must be doing something!

Hi Guys, ok, great feedback thanks! Yes, I was really hoping that they would get BIGGER than pre-TRT as they were small to begin with! :( ha ha When I started hCG they got firmer, bigger and ached a bit... I guess that means they are working... Like Gene said, at least they are alive! ha ha...

Hi Guys, I'm taking 200 IUs of hCG EOD and to start with I noticed a big improvement in testicuar size and firmness. However now after almost a month, they don't seem to be growing/increasing in size any more. I think by most standards they are still quite small. Is this normal? Indicate...

Roger that. Have been on Reandron for a few years already. Wanted to try something to keep my levels more consistently higher... agreed this is too much. What is the max blood levels you guys think. I was trying the Adex when I was trying Clomid... smashed my estrogen levels into the ground, so...

Hey Guys, :) Just had latest bloods... I've been trying Testosterone Cypionate Depot at 1ml x twice a week. Been on 1/2 an Arimidex tab every now and then. Observation date: 21-Feb-2015 Testosterone: > 50.0 nmol/L ( 8.0 - 29.0 ) HH FSH: < 0.5 IU/L ( 2.0 - 12.0...

Frankly what amazes me is how little most Doctors, Endocrinologists, and even Fertility Specialists know of how to treat fertility issues in guys with hypogonadism! Thanks to the pioneers in our community this is changing!

I think there is a study showing DIM can lower estrogen, however like Gene and others said, it's unlikely to work... Myomin is something my Doctor recommended I try...

Sorry to be more specific, I felt horrible when going off T (Nebido) as that's called "testosterone undecanoate" - long slow release and very suppressive of natural hormone production. Basically I had NO testosterone for 5-6 months... the feeling of that isn't great. My system did recover enough...

My endo made me wait 6 months, since my last T injection, to see if my body would recover naturally. OMG, what a fkn horrible experience. We got enough sperm frozen for ISCI, did our first IVF cycle last year, which didn't work. Looking to try again in June. It's a bit crap for the female too as...

I tried DIM, didn't do anything to lower my levels. Yet when I tried Arimidex, only two 1 x 1mg, my levels crashed to below 50 in one week. I'm going to review with my next bloods and perhaps take 0.5mg per week if she's come back up.

Guys, if you haven't seen it already! Preserving fertility in the hypogonadal patient: an update http://www.ajandrology.com/preprintarticle.asp?id=142772

http://www.energeticnutrition.com/vitalzym/myomin.html Studies claim it to be a natural aromatase inhibitor. I've just started taking it. http://www.energeticnutrition.com/hormone_balance/docs/Townsend_Newsletter_Myomin.pdf

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Hi Nelson! Awesome! Sure, NO I'm not taking any thyroid meds :) Will take a pic of the supplements ASAP :) Thanks guys!

Hi Chris! To be honest, I have no idea what you are talking about! :) That's all zooming way over my head... he he Above is the suppies I take on a fairly regular basis... not sure if any of those could be leading to negative effects. (Hardly ever take the C4/pre-workout) I don't sleep that...

Hi Chris, sure not on another other Meds. Testosterone/Reandron is it. I'm not following your other points, can you elaborate further please?

Sure, totally - the issue with hCG here in NZ is that it's flipping expensive! Like REALLY expensive. I've tried it before and found was good for testicular size, fat loss, but not much else. Clomiphine he says may get my testosterone levels up to the 20s+ (I guess he thinking nono-therapy...

Hi Gene! :) Reandron 10-12 weeks (endo). New Doc is going to try Clomiphine, maybe adding hCG. (+Arimidex if required). Already take a range of other supplements, DIM, Myomin, Zinc, Saw Palmetto, etc. etc. :)

Hi Guys, Not posted bloods before :) Hoping to get some feedback at all if possible on my current results.... 15 Dec 2014 Thyroid Function Tests Free T4: 18.0 pmol/L ( 10.0 - 20.0 ) TSH: 0.92 mIU/L ( 0.30 - 4.00 ) Free T3: 5.7 pmol/L...

Firstly they said this... "In the meantime, Prof ___ explains that this type of treatment is not provided by ____ as part of publicly funded fertility treatment. To date we regard the use of clomiphene in the context you describe as insufficiently evidence based and we have no clinical...

All good! I've spend a huge amount of time researching this to educate myself! he he :) Now I'm using this to educate the Doctors! OMG :cool: I even went to the extent of highlighting the key points for them... and they still didn't read it!

Yes, thanks. Doctors want to see "credible studies" (large, double-blind, placebo-controlled, etc.)... These are the ones I've already emailed them... Clomiphene studies are linked as follows: 1. Oral Enclomiphene Citrate Stimulates the Endogenous Production of Testosterone and Sperm Counts...

Hi Guys, We had a productive meeting with the Medical Director (Fertility Department) from one of our main Hospitals on Friday. He's admitted they are behind on the latest research regarding the use of hCG and Clomifene and it's not an area they are experienced with. My objective is to have...

Ok, cool. What does did you take to maintain fertility? Is it possible that it's use while already on TRT can help restore fertility?

Love this thread! Very helpful and insightful guys! Thanks heaps.... :) Quick question - does Clomiphine lower the conversion of testosterone to estrogen?

Hi Guys, great thread! I'm wondering about using hCG to attempt restoration of spermatogenesis and increase testicular size... I've browsed through a few studies that use this, sometimes in combination with hMG, to restore/maintain sperm production. The questions I have are: 1.) has anyone...

Gene, I'd be keen to see a list of all the things you take... seems like you've done a lot of reading into the studies and could help short-cut the process of finding what works and what doesn't! :)

Wow, interesting study.... is it possible to find the full text online somewhere for free?

Awesome! How do you buy the Beet Root - as juice, concentrate, etc?

Hey Gene - I've already noticed a big change in erection strength with just the L-Arginine (it's the only supplement to have arrived yet)...

Excellent!