Clomid , HCG use and stopping Testosterone to get fertile

Hi

Im Brand New on this site

i would like for anyone if they can help me and give me the best advice in what to do ?

ive been taking TRT therapy for the last 6 months due to LOW TEST from past steroid use.

Since ive started it ive never felt better.

I recently went for a sperm count as we trying to have a baby and it was on zero, they couldnt find any.

So not sure what to do ?

Some say i should stop the Testosterone completely

And others say i should take HCG and Clomid along with the 200mg of testosterone cypionate which ive been taking weekly along with 1 arimidex weekly of 1mg

I also would like to know would stopping the Test and taking HCG an Clomid have any negative side affects on body composition as loss of muscel ?

and if it is true HCG and Clomid can make you gain bodyfat

Anyones expert help would really be highly appreciative as i really dont know what route to take as different people are giving me so many opinions.

Thanks very much

Welcome to Excelmale. Was the question of fertility discussed with you when you began treatment? Did your doctor explain that exogenous testosterone would render you infertile, and was the role of HCG explained? Did the topic of a restart protocol come up, the use of Clomid to stimulate your natural production? You never take Clomid and exogenous testosterone at the same time, by the way, as they work against one another. You also mentioned past steroid use: did you run any sort of post-cycle therapy when you ceased using the steroids? If your doctor hasn't addressed these basic questions, you are not receiving the care you deserve.

Post your most recent lab values, please, and also a bit more information regarding your age, how long you cycled steroids. Good discussion will ensue. I'm sure one of the points many will address is the fact that you need an experienced doctor to help you navigate the challenges you face in recovering your fertility.

superboy said:

I also would like to know would stopping the Test and taking HCG an Clomid have any negative side affects on body composition as loss of muscel ?

and if it is true HCG and Clomid can make you gain bodyfat

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Who cares? You're trying to regain fertility and you're worried about muscle loss? Jesus.

Stop TRT and do strong restart with hCG and clomid. Find protocol from Dr Saya,it's somewhere on forum.

Thanks so much for your reply

I'm 34 years old and no my doctor has never ask any of the above questions.

After some steroid cycles I did do some pct but with anabolic I didn't take any pct which is maybe reason i stayed suppressed.

My recent lab results all looked very good with hormonal levels back to normal.

But my thing now is how to go about taking the hcg and clomid protocol, how much and how long

Thanks again for your reply

Thanks man

Wasn't meaning about losing gains, just wanted to know what to expect coming off the Testosterone and going on hcg and clomid.

Thanks allot for your input

I found the thread:

https://www.excelmale.com/forum/sho...RT-Defy-HPTA-Reset-Protocol&p=50479#post50479

Read Dr Saya's post there. And good luck,I'm also coming off,so we're in the same boat.

superboy, what's your current protocol? Does it include at least 500iu of HCG twice a week along with your T?

HI Vince

Thanks for replying

im currently on 200mg of Test Cyp a week with 1 arimidex tablet a week of 0.5mg

i havent taken any HCG or Clomid yet

Just unsure how to go about administering this the best way to get me fertile and not experience a crash !!

Thanks very much

superboy said:

HI Vince

Thanks for replying

im currently on 200mg of Test Cyp a week with 1 arimidex tablet a week of 0.5mg

i havent taken any HCG or Clomid yet

Just unsure how to go about administering this the best way to get me fertile and not experience a crash !!

Thanks very much

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The simplest way forward is to add HCG 500iu E3.5D and hope for the best, none of this stop Cyp and try Clomid or a restart garbage, HCG will get you there, if it's even possible at this stage.

a group of patients undergoing TRT were able to maintain normal sperm production by using 500 IU HCG every other day.
https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?1432-Now-on-TRT-plus-HCG-to-preserve-fertility
The Use of HCG to Prevent / Reverse Testicular Shrinkage and Preserve Fertility
https://www.excelmale.com/forum/sho...e-Testicular-Shrinkage-and-Preserve-Fertility

Vince Carter said:

The simplest way forward is to add HCG 500iu E3.5D and hope for the best, none of this stop Cyp and try Clomid or a restart garbage, HCG will get you there, if it's even possible at this stage.

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Terrible advice. Did you even read his question? His sperm count is ZERO. Why risk it? Every fertility specialist would stop the TRT for a while since then chances of conceiving are best. He can easily come back to TRT later.

I am concerned that your doctor, in not addressing some basic issues with you (and not raising the possibility of adding HCG to your protocol from the start), may not be qualified to guide you through all of this, the choices and decisions you have to make. Are you confident in his/her judgment and clinical knowledge?

zLeeKo said:

Terrible advice. Did you even read his question? His sperm count is ZERO. Why risk it? Every fertility specialist would stop the TRT for a while since then chances of conceiving are best. He can easily come back to TRT later.

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The simplest way forward is to add HCG 500iu E3.5D and hope for the best, none of this stop Cyp and try Clomid or a restart garbage, HCG will get you there, if it's even possible at this stage.

Thanks Vince

so should i just do the HCG and leave the clomid or should i combine the 2

and if so how long should i take HCG and Clomid if needed be

Thank you

You're azoospermic dude,stop the TRT completely and add hCG (possibly hMG) if you want any chance of having a child.

superboy said:

Thanks Vince

so should i just do the HCG and leave the clomid or should i combine the 2

and if so how long should i take HCG and Clomid if needed be

Thank you

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You wrote of different people giving you different opinions, and you solicit input here (and we're glad you did). However, what has your doctor suggested? How experienced is he/she in working in this area of androgen replacement? Are you self-directing this effort?

I would continue the testosterone but add HCG. You could start adding 500iu of HCG every 3 1/2 days and after a couple months your if swimmers are still too low. Use HCG every other day.

Vince Carter said:

The simplest way forward is to add HCG 500iu E3.5D and hope for the best, none of this stop Cyp and try Clomid or a restart garbage, HCG will get you there, if it's even possible at this stage.

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I agree, I would not stop, I would add hcg/hmg, there have been a lot people that have produced children while they were running much higher doses that trt doses.

Thanks very much Vince

ill do as you suggested and give it a TRY

Vince said:

I would continue the testosterone but add HCG. You could start adding 500iu of HCG every 3 1/2 days and after a couple months your if swimmers are still too low. Use HCG every other day.

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Thanks guys for all your input really appreciate everyone's help

Vince should i still add in the clomid with the HCG

Thanks again