Updating here. I got off of all arimidex, ten days or so in, morning wood soft. Eq bad, breasts hurting, bloating. . 25 arimidex went down the hatch, started peeing a ton, over the next few days, everything libido wise is coming back. Now, this happened about a month ago, but I was on arimidex. I got to really thinking what the hell was different. I had not had a shot of hcg in close to two weeks. This week, I cut out hcg, will see where it goes. I read some rare times in men where hcg will tank libido. Maybe I am one. Been tanked all year really until I ran out of it. Was good before. They have me on 500 mg twice a week. Am I crazy?
When trt does not bring libido back or it worsens on trt.
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Clint Lovelace
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Curious to see how it changes now without the HCG. I finally see a great urologist so I am very hopeful for a solution for myself.
Clint Lovelace
Member
how has it been past 3 days? Was that your first time able to have sex in a while? Erections good and strong? I see a urologist (who is supposed to be a specialist in ED and low T) tomorrow in Birmingham so I am hopeful.
Clint Lovelace
Member
So you can get hard enough to penetrate but you can't stay hard? Sounds like you need Trimix
Vince Carter
Banned
Old thread just curious if the ever evolving TRT regimen if this is still viable? I'm considering my ratios and evaluating if an AI is really necessary; high T and high E2. Still looking at things to fine tune...libido/drive/ED symptoms are lagging.
I have 24hr peaks of 1450, 72hr trough of 814, SHBG @ 12-15, I inject Cyp @ 50mg EOD, HCG 100iu EOD, and Anastrozole @ .15mg (compounded) EOD.
I would like to further reduce my AI use or eliminate it entirely. I've never had nipple issue, when I've been E2 elevated my first symptom seems to be nite sweats. If I could get to using an AI jsut once or even twice a week...I'm chasing some libido and ED issues even with Tadalifil/Sildenafil/NO stack. I've been overdosed on Anastrozole >6 months ago, I know what being crashed out is like.
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CoastWatcher
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Thise are significantly high values. What is your protocol, and how are you feeling?
I have read that the ideal testosterone to estrogen ratio is between 14 and 20, so using that calculation, you are OK.
Calculation would be 1300 total T, divided by your E2 of 75, so 1300/75 = 17.33, which is between 14 and 20.
I am hoping Nelson can comment on this, but I think this is correct.
Calculation would be 1300 total T, divided by your E2 of 75, so 1300/75 = 17.33, which is between 14 and 20.
I am hoping Nelson can comment on this, but I think this is correct.
Nelson Vergel
Founder, ExcelMale.com
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That is correct. At that T blood level, it would be amazing if your E2 was not over 40 pg/mL. I would not take anastrozole unless you think you have nipple breast tissue swelling.
That is correct. At that T blood level, it would be amazing if your E2 was not over 40 pg/mL. I would not take anastrozole unless you think you have nipple breast tissue swelling.
Vince Carter
Banned
INteresting...will give this ratio a try. Assuming like other tests we're basing it on trough total T...right?
50mg cyp e3d with the addition of 10mg suspension has helped a lot, my erections are still not where they need to be. I tried hcg but could not tolerate it, all different doses it bloated the hell out of me and my buddy is finding the same thing. Pregnenolone cream maybe 3 times a week has helped, as Nelson mentioned cortisol can help. I am going to look at nutrient deficiencies next then amino acid therapy for neurotransmitters which isn't cheap :s. I do feel that a lot of guys would benefit from a compounded testosterone where the cyp or enthanate was cut back a tad and a little propionate was added, the shorter esters or esterless (suspension) really do help
Agreed. I had a prior TRT doc prescribe Test Propionate a couple years back and I liked smaller, more frequent injection of that vs. twice a week with Test Cyp. Many if not most docs don't do Test Prop, though it seems.
Juan Valdez
New Member
Is there a safe place to buy/try this?
I am with Defy Medical and I asked them about Test Propionate. They said that they sometimes prescribe it, so it is at least possible with them. I have a phone consult with Dr Saya in a week and I will ask him directly.
My doctor had me try try oxytocin, but it didn't seem to do anything for me. I will ask him about dopamine & Seratonin.
Any updates from people on what has worked for them?
I am having the same issue. Currently taking HCG 25 three times a week, 50 clomid three times a week, and arimadex .5 twice a week.
Test results showed 1300, with estradoil at 29.
Seems like some people are saying it could be any of the three. According to that result maybe I should take less arimadex?
I am having the same issue. Currently taking HCG 25 three times a week, 50 clomid three times a week, and arimadex .5 twice a week.
Test results showed 1300, with estradoil at 29.
Seems like some people are saying it could be any of the three. According to that result maybe I should take less arimadex?
I have tried oxytocin and various neurotransmitter support supplements that are supposed to affect serotonin and dopamine - none have helped in the slightest.
In your case, Hank 123, I would try skipping the Arimidex or cutting way down. Your T to E ratio is 44 (which means your E2 is VERY low when compared to your T level of 1300 - not as compared to the lab range) and the ideal T:E: range is between 14 and 20. Now the T to E ratio doesn't work for everybody, but its sure worth a try when nothing else has helped.
In your case, Hank 123, I would try skipping the Arimidex or cutting way down. Your T to E ratio is 44 (which means your E2 is VERY low when compared to your T level of 1300 - not as compared to the lab range) and the ideal T:E: range is between 14 and 20. Now the T to E ratio doesn't work for everybody, but its sure worth a try when nothing else has helped.
Casey Cappleman
New Member
This is good info Nelson. I just joined excel male, and have been on trt for a year now, without having as dramatic of an effect on my libido as i had hoped. I started trt at low t center for first two months with no hcg or anastrozole, and my libido sky rocketed. Have been with e.hormones ever since then, self injecting 180 mg test cyp once per week, along with 500 iu hcg twice per week, and o.5 mg anastrozole twice per week. My last bloodwork showed my t levels at 907, and my e2 levels at around 27. Could my ai use be whats caused my libido to not be what i had experienced at low t center?
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