Making the switch....

maneframe150 · Aug 3, 2016

I currently inject .25ml test cyp every 3.5 days into my quads. Only my quads alternating left and right and high/mid/low. My doc started me on using 1.5" 22g needles. I have since switched (on my own) to 1" 25g needles.

I'd like to go even smaller. I'd like to use insulin syringes because I leave a large amount of medication just in the tip of these larger syringes as opposed to insulin syringes which leaves nearly nothing behind.

1. What size insulin syringe could I use to inject IM into my quads? Is there an insulin needle big enough to make it into the muscle?

2. Would I draw with the insulin syringe AND inject with the same needle?

3. Backfill the syringe or draw with it?

4. I've seen where people push air into a vial of Trimix to make injection easier. Can this be done with Test cyp? Wouldn't this contaminate the medication?

Thanks for your help in advance....

Vince · Aug 3, 2016

I use easy touch 27g 1/2" and inject in my shoulders. For a shallow IM, and I love it. I've always pushed air into the vial, before filling the syringe.

Vince Carter · Aug 3, 2016

maneframe150 said:
I currently inject .25ml test cyp every 3.5 days into my quads. Only my quads alternating left and right and high/mid/low. My doc started me on using 1.5" 22g needles. I have since switched (on my own) to 1" 25g needles.

I'd like to go even smaller. I'd like to use insulin syringes because I leave a large amount of medication just in the tip of these larger syringes as opposed to insulin syringes which leaves nearly nothing behind.

1. What size insulin syringe could I use to inject IM into my quads? Is there an insulin needle big enough to make it into the muscle?

2. Would I draw with the insulin syringe AND inject with the same needle?

3. Backfill the syringe or draw with it?

4. I've seen where people push air into a vial of Trimix to make injection easier. Can this be done with Test cyp? Wouldn't this contaminate the medication?

Thanks for your help in advance....

Don't make it too hard...it's a simple as buying a 29g 1/2" U100 insulin syringe, filling it and sticking it in your leg. This stuff get's overthought all the time. There's no reason to push air in to a vial, either, Cyp flows slowly especially with a 29g and air (i.e., pressure) in the vial won't make any difference to anything.

MG123 · Aug 3, 2016

1. It depends on the amount of adipose tissue you have above the vastus lateralis muscle (this is the quad muscle that is used for IM injections). For a lot of people, including myself and I don't consider myself skinny, I would think that a 1/2 in. needle would be feasible to do a shallow IM there.

2. Yes

3. Draw with it

4. Pushing air into a vial is fine, but doesn't help much with getting oil to flow faster through a small bore needle. Pushing air into a vial helps when a vacuum of air pressure is keeping the drug from flowing into the syringe easily. I've never had this happen with oil based medicines though.

Virginian · Aug 3, 2016

I use 29 gauge 1/2 inch injections in my lower quads. It usually works fine, although sometimes I hit a sensitive spot.

I backfill the syringe but that is because I am a needle coward. I want the most pain-free injection possible.

maneframe150 · Aug 3, 2016

Vince Carter said:
Don't make it too hard...it's a simple as buying a 29g 1/2" U100 insulin syringe, filling it and sticking it in your leg. This stuff get's overthought all the time. There's no reason to push air in to a vial, either, Cyp flows slowly especially with a 29g and air (i.e., pressure) in the vial won't make any difference to anything.

I just ordered U-100 0.5cc Insulin Syringe 29G x 1/2", Box of 100 from easytouchstore.com. Just gonna do it.

Why is it that doctors want you to inject with 1.5" needles in the quad??? I feel like I'm hitting all kinds of shit that I shouldn't be hitting.....

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johnt · Aug 3, 2016

Virginian said:
I use 29 gauge 1/2 inch injections in my lower quads. It usually works fine, although sometimes I hit a sensitive spot.

I backfill the syringe but that is because I am a needle coward. I want the most pain-free injection possible.

How does backfilling reduce injection pain?

Fireproof · Aug 3, 2016

johnt said:
How does backfilling reduce injection pain?

Because the needle doesn't have to puncture the rubber top of the vial...which "may" slightly dull it, before injecting with it. Though it's never been a concern for me with 27g or smaller needles.

For me - I like the 27g needles - nice compromise between small needle and reasonable filling speed. (Seems to fill a lot faster than 29g and I'm impatient).

bruin · Aug 3, 2016

I inject into quads alternating the same as you, I use a 30 or31g half inch.
Easy, peasy
Take all of20 secs to load, and yeah I do believe the needle does dull upon initial fill, bit still it's a small needle.
I've gotten so used to it, I don't even feel the initial stab.

Tommy Wall · Aug 4, 2016

Why not draw with bigger needle and change to smaller one to inject with. Ok you waste one needle but...

PAUL-E · Aug 4, 2016

Tommy Wall said:
Why not draw with bigger needle and change to smaller one to inject with. Ok you waste one needle but...

You can't change the needle on a insulin syringe, that's why people backload them.

bigfred32 · Aug 4, 2016

Vince said:
I use easy touch 27g 1/2" and inject in my shoulders. For a shallow IM, and I love it. I've always pushed air into the vial, before filling the syringe.

I use the same size syringe. Except I alternate between shoulders and quads weekly for shallow IM. Absolutly no issues

lcvl · Aug 4, 2016

I draw with a 25g, inject with a 31g, half inch, into my quads, twice a week.

Tommy Wall · Aug 4, 2016

Normally I use syringes which I can change different sized needleson. Even small as 27g 1/2". Today I tried an insulin syringe with anattached not removable needle 29g 1/2". I back loaded both testo andHCG in the same syringe and things went smooth. Normally injecting with 27gneedle is a bit faster but this was above my expectation and it was reallyeasy to back load both Testo and HCG at exact ml. Super!

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