problem comes from hypothalamus..hmm...whats now..?

hi to all /hi nelson
i spoke yesterday whit my endocrinologist (Dr.)she say after do all test what whas possible in the last 1-2 year
+insulin stress test /test for the reaction of pituitary after give insulin
+acth test
+ LH response to GnRH
she see the only problem can comes from hypothalamus !becos the pituitary and the adrenal glads work fine after stimulation.

thats can by the reason why my lh and acth whas all time low..
But she has no answer more for what can i do.,only try TRT to see whats happens..

my lh level goes on chlomid/chlomiphen up.,but 2 day after go off its go down to 2,4.
its show ,all things what i try rise lh up,but all time goo down :-(

when i take only hcg,it blocks my pituitary.,when i take testosteron its block it too..

hmm..

difficult,difficult..

How old are you?

Tell us more about yourself and your medical history.

Do you have your blood work and can you post it complete with ranges?

Did she say anything about growth hormone? She did an insulin challenge test.

I would just get on TRT plus HCG.

hi gene
thank you for you time..
i write her some post from 2.2015 to looking answer for my question..
her my posting
https://www.excelmale.com/forum/sho...ron-normal-no-energy-bad-recovery-(-brain-fog

but i write it in the short version(sorry for bad English)
now im 38 y.,sporty lean men (5,9 feet on 170 pounds) whit problems of recovery,energy ,brain fog ,cold feeling..
i love sports ,but all time have problems whit recovery.
now when i have a traning day(thaiboxing 70 min or fitness) i have after it 2-3 day muscle pain,low energy,night sweating..i feel bad :-(
2-3 x training session in week and i dont have energy for business,family and fun in my life.

a do a lot of blood test and other test to find a reason for it.,but whiteout the pituitary adenoma what by very little(only 0,4 mm /0,015748 inch) i find nothing.

my normal testosterone whas in the range from 4,8 to 6,1 (ref 2,4-9,1) i have morning woods and back hair,and my facial hair grown normaly..
my shgb whas all time 45-65(ref 18-55) high..i try nettle root,but its bring nothing for my.
and so is my free Testosterone all time low

diet,supplements nothing help my..

her in europe,austria wher i life is trt or hrt only nebido.,the dr give you a shot of it all 10-12 weeks and it by all.
i have a big knowhow about diet,supplements becose i love sport and work long time as a Personal coach(certifine) and the must thing work by my clients ,but not by me :-(

my friends go to the gym or boxing 3-5 x in week,have energy for all ..
in 6 weeks comes my son ,becos my girlfriend whas pregnant in the 8 th month
im so happy,but in 1 year i`m 40th.,whit low energy and no power..whats whas in 10 years?!

i try looking to answer whit blood test and by Med.Dr.,but all Dr.(and nelson too :-( ) say my hormones are ok..but why i have this symptoms?

(i can send you my facebook profil on pm,that you can see i do sport and how i look .im in the trt group on fb too)

my last blood test whas:
lh 2,7 (ref 2-12) low,sometimes its only 1,7
e2 19 (ref 11-44)
testosterone 4,8 (ref 2.3-9,1)
shgb 56 (ref 18-55)
free testosterone 0,89 (ref 1,1-3,1)
dheas 260 (ref 88-420)
cortisol 6 (ref 4,3-20)
igf 212 (110-240)
Dihydrotestosteron 430 (250-1000)
acth 8 (ref 10-60)low dr.say ok

thank you for reading,maybe you see something ,what can by the reason for all this symptoms..

hi Nelson(thank you for answer )
yes i have the insulin challenge test ,the pituitary works fine(words from my Dr.)
i feel realy bad whit this test..sweating,tired,feeling cold!
acth goes from 7pg to 178pg/ml its 25 time more
cortisol from 8,7 to 30 uq/dl its 3x more
hgh/sth go from 1,32 ng/ml to 17,77
tsh,ft3+ft4 whas ok

thas why now the dr say the hypothalamus work not fine..

i must try trt.,its the only way too see what can by help my,but i try testosterone propionate 2 weeks ego (write her about it)but its dont work fine for my.,the reason can by onyl its a fake stuff.
i have from my dr. at home testosterone enanthate,its 100% original.

but you write my in my post,my hormons look fine and you don`t see a reason for trt :-( thats why i`m not sure..try TRT or not..

1 same symptoms i have all time:
a.
after a Training day like Monday(thaiboxing)im on the next day morning full of energy"
then on the evening comes slowly the crash :-(
-bones and mucles pain,slow brain fog and motivation lost..
-the same 2 days
-and after it/ on the 3 day energy comes back for 1 day
but in this time i have night sweat too like over train

second difficult symptom:
after drinking 1 cafe (50-80 mg coffein) 2-3 hours later ,i fell tiered too,more feel cold,back pain
a second cafe don't help,feel only worse more

thats the reason why i don't drink cafe more :-(

so i little update:
i try last week 5 day 100.i.u
by balls ar hard in this time and big like a walnut but im by tired in this time afternoon (3-4 p.m)
no + ,not more energy ,mood or somthing.
try id from Wednesday (thaibox training)to saturday..
all days have muscle pain in the lags from training..

its dont help for recovery,mayby worser as whitout..

its a second test from my site.
1.
i try 3-4 week ego for 5-6 day testosterone propionate 50 mg eod,ist fast testosterone and normaly i must feel it after 3 shot(libiodo,mood)
2.
last week try hcg=nothing or worser

last night its by 3 days after last shot hcg 100 i.u,i have in the morning a huge wood(erection)..=hight testo?
but dont feel it..

my problems comes from the hypothalamus..mayby its a "chain" of hormone what whas low and why i have this symptomes.
not only low lh..but low acth/corti..high shgb..i think slowly its not testosterone the reason for my problems.

i know,i know..special symptoms and special problem.

now becos my son comes in 2-3 weeks i try this:
1.
2-3x Training session -thaiboxing and all body training 35 min
2.
good eating whit more fat ,to rise up my cholesterol
3.
no coffee,no booster for recovery adrenal glads
4.
meditation for more balance
to the ending of December try to do blood test to see whats happens

thing have no sens staring trt .,whit good morning wood,facial hair,body hair..
i mean i be a normal guy,to will have more power,energy,recovery and,and and..

but im 38..maybe its better now for a break to try recovery the body after experiment whit testosterone and hcg..
try to find mayby the reason for high shgb(have no hepatitis,liver range are very good)but alpha globuline and beta globuline whas under the range?
thats all for this moment..mayby someone have something to write in my post ,a idea ..
thanks for time to reading my story