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    Nelson I have read that anabolics can hurt the hip joint ball area as opposed to every other area where it is helpful. I most likely have a hip labrum tear and wish to see if nandrolone would help in healing this if i do everything suggested by my PT like band stretches etc.

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    NANDROLONE does what T does with much fewer sides imo

    I have been friends with a NANDROLONE only advocate and trainer for many years. After many discussions through the years and interviews with hundreds of users, I feel the sides are much less than with Testosterone. Aromatize at 20% that if test, minimal to zero acne, joint relief etc. Deca **** appears to be a myth in the men I have forumed with and prrolatiin issues a myth as well. Seen enough labs now to be satisfied. We see the negatives when TESTOSTERONE is added to the mix imo. Shame we don't have legal access to NANDROLONE for TRT, AS MANY OF THESE folks use UGL suppliers and then test the product at certified labs to ensure safety. Also, as a many year TRT user, daily shots vs 2x weekly, works amazingly well just like others have said here in the forum. Better blood labs, no need for AI etc. Thanks for those reports fellas.

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    Is that T Clark to whom you refer?

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    Yes it is. Probably no one else as experienced imo.

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    Or just trying to make a name for himself. I am not sure. Claims seem wild

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    Quote Originally Posted by skycop00 View Post
    I have been friends with a NANDROLONE only advocate and trainer for many years. After many discussions through the years and interviews with hundreds of users, I feel the sides are much less than with Testosterone. Aromatize at 20% that if test, minimal to zero acne, joint relief etc. Deca **** appears to be a myth in the men I have forumed with and prrolatiin issues a myth as well. Seen enough labs now to be satisfied. We see the negatives when TESTOSTERONE is added to the mix imo. Shame we don't have legal access to NANDROLONE for TRT, AS MANY OF THESE folks use UGL suppliers and then test the product at certified labs to ensure safety. Also, as a many year TRT user, daily shots vs 2x weekly, works amazingly well just like others have said here in the forum. Better blood labs, no need for AI etc. Thanks for those reports fellas.
    Where can you have products tested by certified labs?
    Is this open to the public?
    Cost?

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    As I'm getting older having alot chronic disc and joint pains just got off a Methylprednisolone pack which helped enormously.
    Just wanted to confirm if nandralone can still be prescribed in US and if it can be found or ordered in local pharmacies like Walgreen's or if its exclusively a compounding Pharmacy product ?


    I'd like to try and talk to my doctor see if i can add it to my HRT for a while ?



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    Markee, I, like you had joint pain from numerous sports injuries. Now in my Mid 50's and being a Functional Coach I have managed to improve that condition to where its just not an issue anymore. Here is what I prioritize;

    1) Collagen Peptides at 60 GRAMS a day
    2) DHA/EPA 3-5 grams daily ( I use Carlsons and Nor**** Naturals)
    3) L ascorbate Vitamin C from Perque

    Those 3 things have totally resolved joint pain! Hope this helps...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skycop00 View Post
    I have been friends with a NANDROLONE only advocate and trainer for many years. After many discussions through the years and interviews with hundreds of users, I feel the sides are much less than with Testosterone. Aromatize at 20% that if test, minimal to zero acne, joint relief etc. Deca **** appears to be a myth in the men I have forumed with and prrolatiin issues a myth as well. Seen enough labs now to be satisfied. We see the negatives when TESTOSTERONE is added to the mix imo. Shame we don't have legal access to NANDROLONE for TRT, AS MANY OF THESE folks use UGL suppliers and then test the product at certified labs to ensure safety. Also, as a many year TRT user, daily shots vs 2x weekly, works amazingly well just like others have said here in the forum. Better blood labs, no need for AI etc. Thanks for those reports fellas.

    Nandrolone could never replace testosterone solely for trt as testosterones metabolites, dht and e2 are needed and play a critical role in the overall effectiveness of testosterone in men.

    Sure there is still some aromatization with nandrolone and it is said to be roughly 20% of that compared to testosterone but it has never been proven in humans that it is only 20% and the biggest downfall is that nandrolone does not convert to dht (dihydrotestosterone) and converts to dhn (dihydronandrolone) which becomes less androgenic when attached to the AR (androgen receptor) as oppose to more androgenic effect of dht (dihydrotestosterone).

    Testsosterones metabolites dht and estradiol are needed in healthy amounts and have beneficial effects regarding (mood/libido/erectile function/bone health).

    On the other side of the coin as far as testosterones possible androgenic side effects related to dht such as ( excess oily skin/acne, male pattern baldness (in the genetically prone), excess body hair ) nandrolones metabolite dhn (dihydronandrolone) due to being less androgenic it is much less prone to causing these side effects in men.

    As far as testosterone and negative side effects related to its metabolites dht and estradiol it is not common on trt doses mind you high e2 can be an issue for some but in a majority of men it would be from having too high free t and as far as oily skin/acne or male pattern baldness ones genetics plays a big factor and it comes down to the sensitivity of ones AR (androgen receptor).

    Yes even on trt doses in the genetically sensitive prone individuals oily skin/acne and male pattern baldness can happen but it is not common.

    I definitely agree that nandrolone is less androgenic and would be a good addition to a trt protocol for specific purposes but it could never replace testosterone for sole use as hormone replacement therapy.

    Nandrolone is a better pure muscle tissue (actin/myosin) builder than testosterone and it has beneficial effects on the joints but in higher doses it has been shown to have a negative effect on lipids and possible negative effects on cardiovascular health (animal studies).

    Unfortunately a majority of the research with nandrolone has been done using animals and the minimal research in humans is related to HIV/cancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skycop00 View Post
    Markee, I, like you had joint pain from numerous sports injuries. Now in my Mid 50's and being a Functional Coach I have managed to improve that condition to where its just not an issue anymore. Here is what I prioritize;

    1) Collagen Peptides at 60 GRAMS a day
    2) DHA/EPA 3-5 grams daily ( I use Carlsons and Nor**** Naturals)
    3) L ascorbate Vitamin C from Perque

    Those 3 things have totally resolved joint pain! Hope this helps...
    As far as joint pain omega 3 fatty acids and collagen peptides would have beneficial effects but regardless one has to understand that weight lifting whether using heavy loads or lighter loads the repetitive wear and tear on tendons/joints/ligaments is inevitable and it will catch up with everyone sooner or later regardless of how good your nutrition is or what supplements you take or what precautions one implements when training such as warming up, perfecting form/technique, stretching, massage.

    Aging and wear/tear are part of the game in general and especially for weight lifters/athletes/people working in environments which involve repetitive movements.

    The tendons eventually become weaker as one approaches their 40s.

    Of course preventative maintenance will help in the long run but tendon/joint/ligament issues become more common as one ages.

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    Deca can not be used alone as an effective therapy, it is suppressive. Denying your body the ability to produce its own Testosterone without out replacing it is absurd. Deca causes atrophy of the quad muscle, don't know why, it just does. Deca will without a doubt raise your blood pressure, often significantly. Deca will significantly increase your strength, and it will cause your body to hold water, hence the BP issues. Deca is not for people with higher bodyfat, imo anything over 15% and you're asking for trouble. Oh yeah, and back acne. These are observations of my own while administering about 200 mg per week over a 2 year period with 14 week protocols. 200mg per week is considered a low therapeutic dose not an anabolic one.

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    Thanks for the reply's

    I'm not looking to use it as a stand alone just wondering if it might be effective to add to my existing protocol and if it would even be considered a reasonable request for me to ask my Clinic Defy to prescribe it ? Done the stuff many many times back in the day but never as part of my HRT program
    Been on 50mgs of testosterone & 500iu of HCG 2x a week and for like 15yrs already
    Also my original question does anyone know if the stuff still is even being prescribed and gotten in local here in US through normal local pharmacies or is it exclusively a compounding Pharmacy product at this point ?

    My lower back and joint pains are getting so bad making it hard to lift and maintain down to using super light weights and high reps
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    Almost all clinics will not prescribe deca except for wasting disease. Any other use is off label and can get them in trouble. Compounding pharmacies won't touch deca, they have enough heat to deal with just staying open. What deca did for me was to strengthen my ligaments to lift heavier, especially my wrists, and the change has been permanent in that regard. I'm sure it helped with joints too but honestly I got more relief taking 3000 mg of omega via fish oil every day, which I ingest religiously to this day.

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