Gene's Nitric Oxide Stack

I am currently on low dose Diltiazem 120 mg... would it be safe to add the 1mg Doxazosin in the nitric oxide stack ?
THANK YOU...
I may not have given a proper explanation. I am now on Diltiazem
(Calcium channel Blocker) for mild Tachycardia(fast heartbeat at rest)..
Would it be safe to also take the Doxazosin? (Alpha Blocker)

Varner said:

Probably asked before, but I've got a question about the safety of combining parts of this stack.
I get my protein from PES (absolutely delicious - I highly recommend the Peanut Butter Cup) and they sent me a sample of their "High Volume" Nitric Oxide supplement. It contains:

Vitamin C (250mg)
L-Citrulline (4,000mg)
"Performance Pump Matrix" (3750mg), which contains
- Taurine
- Gylcerol 65%
- Ferula Asafoetida extract
- Arginine Nitrate (2,000mg)
- Agmatine Sulfate (1,000mg)

The label contains the following warning:

Do not use if you are taking erectile dysfunction medication. Do not take additional nitrates in the form of medication or dietary supplements along with this product.

It does not explain why. Some of the ingredients are part of Gene's stack. I'm curious where and what the risk is. Is there some danger in combining citrulline and a PDE5 inhibitor? Agmatine? Arginine?

My urologist prescribed me 5mg daily Cialis, which I take about twice a week. I tried out the High Volume and felt pretty good, and got a few spontaneous erections - not sure if it was the cause. I heeded the advice on the label, though, and didn't combine it with the Cialis. If this is just boilerplate warning, I might buy some of the High Volume and mix take both Cialis and a scoop of it on the same day. If it's serious, I won't.

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Ive had no problems with anything in the stack NO related like Citrulline or Arginine in combination with a PDE5, in fact they work quite well together, for me. I think some of the cautionary tales revolve around blood pressure getting low as they can all act together to lower BP, to an extent.

Vince Carter said:

Ive had no problems with anything in the stack NO related like Citrulline or Arginine in combination with a PDE5, in fact they work quite well together, for me. I think some of the cautionary tales revolve around blood pressure getting low as they can all act together to lower BP, to an extent.

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Thanks! I'll give it a shot.

tri mix

Gene Devine said:

Increase your cialis to 10 mg twice daily. Make sure to shake the bottle well and let the dose sit under your tongue.

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Hi im new to the site.. question for gene... do you take the tri mix and if you do how long do you wait after you have taken your cialis

akrocket said:

Hi im new to the site.. question for gene... do you take the tri mix and if you do how long do you wait after you have taken your cialis

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It is extremely important to remember never to use Viagra, Cialis, or Levitra before at the same time as you use Trimix. This is a dangerous combination that can increase the risk of priaprism https://www.excelmale.com/forum/showthread.php?402-Penis-Injections-for-Hard-Erections-TRIMIX

I must say this has been a game changer for me!! In the gym and in the bedroom, almost every day I get a comment about the veins. I have learned to buy my supplies in quantity from pipingrock.com when they go on sale. I have used the other brands vitamin shop and such but the cost of buying in quantity from pipingrock is huge. I currently use the source naturals HGW bought from amazon is the best price I can find. I also use 90% Icarrin from lift mode in my smoothies....when I know I am going to be sexually active and I find it give me a boost in all areas including stamina. I have ordered the 60% from icariinhealth but I find this to be too costly and a pain to order sometimes as it is overseas and my cc company wants to decline the transaction. For the tadalafil I have been using blueskypeptides. I am on their email list and I get promo codes that allow up to 40 to 50% off so i buy bottles in quantity there as well and it is very cost effective, I have varied the doses and whether I consume 5mg or 15 mg I get the same effects so I stick with 5mg or about 5 drops (the side effects went away after about two weeks). I have a very big cardboard box full of bottles of most of the sup's in this stack. I have bought quantity of small plastic ziplock bags. I usually take a day every week or two, lay a towel out on the counter top start making piles and make up bags so they are ready to go when I need them.

Question: I am not using Doxazosin ...what difference will I see if I incorporate this into my stack? Has anyone added to something to this stack that has made a significant difference?

The upside to this is I am always ready to go but the downside my wife has a significantly lower libido than I do so it can be frustrating to say the least. I have always had a high libido/drive. My wife's has diminished as time has passed. "The age old dilemma for most men I guess". We are working on getting her set up with Defy. Blood tests are done, appt with Dr Saya next week I would imagine most of the sup's in this stack would help the female as well but is there something to add or take away for the female?

Question: Is there a stack similar to this one for women that anyone can recommend?

I'd like to thank Gene and everyone else who has contributed to this thread. I have shared it with many friends and it has changed their lives as well. Also...excelmale.com and it's admin's and conributors.

Question: Is there a similar forum to excelmale for women to learn about health and hormones?

Thanks.

I get bulk L-citrulline (pure) via Amazon for $30 per kilo/2.2 lbs. Seems to work fine.

If your blood pressure is on the low side, be careful taking both doxasozin and Cialis (or other PDE-5 inhibitor). My BP dropped to 87/54 with this combination. I believe it is safer if you stagger the two drugs (i.e., PDE-5 inhibitor taken 4 or more hours after the doxazosin), which is what I do now.

Per the FDA: Concomitant administration of CARDURA with a PDE-5 inhibitor can result in additive bloodpressure lowering effects and symptomatic hypotension; therefore, PDE-5 inhibitor therapyshould be initiated at the lowest dose in patients taking CARDURA.

back to icariins or Horny Goat weed....please recommend one for me. I see propritary "blends" that I don't like, some others with Saw Palmetto, a known androgen bloc or other low potency, 10% icariins. Thanks

I started the stack with only Argenine, citruline and pycnogenol. I saw an improvement in bloodflow and pumps in the gym. Veins started to show more in my arms and legs, erections improved. I was researching what HGW to use and found the source naturals. Almost immediately I started having very strong early morning wood and random mid day wood (at this point I was not using tadalifil). I tried the icariin 60 and saw no difference except for the cost. Went back to source naturals for the cost factor. I recently started the lift mode icariin in my protein shakes for extra stamina but found that it boosts my libido and helps with erections. The only thing is for the lift mode icariin you need to use a lot to see the effects and for that reason cost is an issue with me to use it everyday in the stack. Also the tablets work better for me being able to prep them and carry them in my pocket and down with a glass of water.

On Amazon that lift mode is OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive. I picked up some of the DoctorCare + 20% icariins/HGW to try it out. I know I've had this before and wasn't too impressed by it but a few other things for me are starting to click so will try it again.

NO Stack

crash1270 said:

I started the stack with only Argenine, citruline and pycnogenol. I saw an improvement in bloodflow and pumps in the gym. Veins started to show more in my arms and legs, erections improved. I was researching what HGW to use and found the source naturals. Almost immediately I started having very strong early morning wood and random mid day wood (at this point I was not using tadalifil).

My experience/regimen mirrors CRASH...........and I only used Doxasin initially until the supply ran out, I do not notice any difference.
I do use the powder Arginine in a glass of water, tastes like drinking metal, but it is very efficient and I have gotten used to it , just down the hatch !

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Vince Carter said:

On Amazon that lift mode is OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive. I picked up some of the DoctorCare + 20% icariins/HGW to try it out. I know I've had this before and wasn't too impressed by it but a few other things for me are starting to click so will try it again.

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I just bought the 10g bag of 90% icariin from list mode. $57 shipped... looking ward to adding it to the stack

Curious about trying Trimix. With 10mg of Cialis a day with this stack. Do you stop taking the stack?

roadglide said:

Curious about trying Trimix. With 10mg of Cialis a day with this stack. Do you stop taking the stack?

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It is extremely important to remember never to use Viagra, Cialis, or Levitra before at the same time as you use Trimix. This is a dangerous combination that can increase the risk of priaprism http://www.excelmale.com/showthread....ections-TRIMIX

akrocket said:

Hi im new to the site.. question for gene... do you take the tri mix and if you do how long do you wait after you have taken your cialis

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I take 10 mg daily of Tadalafil and use Trimix at the same time. Never been a problem...ever.

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1010mg of L-citrulline.

L-arginine Plus® is based on a Nobel Prize winning medical breakthrough and the discovery of nitric oxide, which some consider the most important advancement in the fight to maintain your health!

Serving: 1 level scoop (12.7 g)
Servings Per Container: 30

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magnus68, I think the advertising is misleading, it's L-Arginine with vitamins added. I refer to supplement my own vitamins.

I would not buy that primarily that it's 5g of Arginine which we know only about 40% of that is going to be processed to NO. I further don't like much of anything that says Proprietary Blend...you have no idea what that is or what's in it. Products like this that try to do many things rarely do any of them effectively. Plus I think personally, ~1g of Citrulline is rather low dosed.

while continuing my test/nand/dhea/serm/etc combo taken to combat a muscle-wasting illness, i thought i'd give an abbreviated version of gene's no stack a try, based on what both he and the dude have written. i'm a little confused about a few things, however. so, here's what i'm taking and some questions.

1/ liquid cia, maybe 2mg x 2 times daily; ie, two drops licked off the palm of my hand. i tried more but the constant-boner-factor got to be a little much.

2/ citrulline, 1 tsp x 2 times daily, morning and bedtime.

3/ grape seed extract, 250mg, morning and bedtime.

4/ Activz beet root powder. The Dude is no longer on the forum, I don't think, but the last thing I read from him about Activz is he took 2 teaspoons once a day along with the Citrulline. Earlier in the thread, however, he seemed to be taking 1/2 teaspoon of a beet powder that was half as strong as the Activz. Is anyone here using this stuff and if so, how much are you taking?

The Dude also said he dumped the powders into his mouth dry, because the stuff activates NO better that way or some such. Does everyone do it like that? I've tried it and it's not a pleasant experience. Wouldn't mixing it with water be okay too? Or, in other words, how are you downing this stuff?

The boner factor has been pretty fun to experience, since it's been probably over a decade since I've woken up with wood. But, I'm not taking the stack for reasons of ED or similar. My understanding is that the mix has anti-inflammatory properties and that's what I'm after mostly. (I also don't care about pumps and inflated veins, mainly cause there'd be no point; my genetics are horrible; i'm a classic skinny-fat hardgainer who might be better termed a nevergainer....)

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts!

Cialis twice a day doesn't make sense. Why not 5 times?

Eating the stack dry is critical, however ;-)