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    Most Recent Labs - Surprised by Levels

    As way of background, I have been averaging 85 to 90 mg per week at injections IM every 3 days. My total T was consistently in the 660 range and E2 sensitive was in the 36 to 40 range. Always tested in the morning before my next shot. Felt good.

    My latest blood work (pulled about 3 weeks ago) is listed below with 100 mg per week with injections IM two times per week. Again, tested the morning before my shot. Wanted to see DHT since I am losing some hair on top.

    Total T - 981 Range of 264 to 916
    Free T - 27 Range of 5 to 21
    DHT - 66 Range of 30 to 85
    E2 Sensitive 54 Range of 8 to 35
    Ferritin 42 Range of 30 to 400
    Hematocrit 45.5 Range of 37 to 51.

    DHT is in the middle but higher than my last test. Surprised by how much TT and FT shot up for such a small increase in dose. And E2 followed the increase in FT - which is expected. I am happy with the ferritin and Hematocrit numbers.

    Overall I felt fine. I think I felt a bit better at the higher dose, but not much - maybe a bit more energy and power in the gym. Overall though I did not notice much of a difference from the 660 range to the high 900 range. Maybe I am just not very in-tune to my body - like an old truck and not a sports car.

    Any thoughts on blood work?

    Due to the high TT, FT and E2 and since I am losing some hair, I have dropped the dose to 80 mg per week divided into 2 injections per week. I hope this reduces the hair loss (assuming its it TRT related) and it will drop the TT and E2.

    Thanks.

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    Your HCT looks really good, do you have to donate blood or is that your normal level. I don't think dropping your testosterone dose will help hair loss, we do have many good threads on how to stop hair loss.
    I am not a medical practitioner. Any suggestions I provide are not medical recommendations and are just my opinions. Please consult with your physician on any matters concerning your health.

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    I think when you mention those totals 660-900 remember that that's bound up and not usable, would be more interested in how the Free T changed with the dose if you have those numbers.

    Hairloss is a lot more genetic than anything else including DHT but would recommend that Nizoral 1% shampoo, has a fair rep in this area. Y

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    Your HCT looks really good, do you have to donate blood or is that your normal level. I don't think dropping your testosterone dose will help hair loss, we do have many good threads on how to stop hair loss.
    The last time I donated was Nov 22 2017. I had been donating every month and then every 2 months to drop ferritin but now that it is in range, I have stopped donating. I was glad HCT is in range but at my low does it may not be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Carter View Post
    I think when you mention those totals 660-900 remember that that's bound up and not usable, would be more interested in how the Free T changed with the dose if you have those numbers.

    Hairloss is a lot more genetic than anything else including DHT but would recommend that Nizoral 1% shampoo, has a fair rep in this area. Y
    Thanks.
    My last free T level was tested on 1/16/18 and it was 12.8 in a range of 6.8 to 21.5. TT was 647. Unless this test was a one off, FT more than doubled.

    I am using the shampoo you recommend and rogain. I will talk to my Dr about a hair loss cream (Nelson had a helpful post) in early august and/or reach out to Defy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saul View Post
    As way of background, I have been averaging 85 to 90 mg per week at injections IM every 3 days. My total T was consistently in the 660 range and E2 sensitive was in the 36 to 40 range. Always tested in the morning before my next shot. Felt good.

    My latest blood work (pulled about 3 weeks ago) is listed below with 100 mg per week with injections IM two times per week. Again, tested the morning before my shot. Wanted to see DHT since I am losing some hair on top.

    Total T - 981 Range of 264 to 916
    Free T - 27 Range of 5 to 21
    DHT - 66 Range of 30 to 85
    E2 Sensitive 54 Range of 8 to 35
    Ferritin 42 Range of 30 to 400
    Hematocrit 45.5 Range of 37 to 51.

    DHT is in the middle but higher than my last test. Surprised by how much TT and FT shot up for such a small increase in dose. And E2 followed the increase in FT - which is expected. I am happy with the ferritin and Hematocrit numbers.

    Overall I felt fine. I think I felt a bit better at the higher dose, but not much - maybe a bit more energy and power in the gym. Overall though I did not notice much of a difference from the 660 range to the high 900 range. Maybe I am just not very in-tune to my body - like an old truck and not a sports car.

    Any thoughts on blood work?

    Due to the high TT, FT and E2 and since I am losing some hair, I have dropped the dose to 80 mg per week divided into 2 injections per week. I hope this reduces the hair loss (assuming its it TRT related) and it will drop the TT and E2.

    Thanks.
    I'm experiencing the hair loss also. I noticed it About about one year at After I started T 200MG 1ml per wk & it didn't stop even when I cut back to .5 ML per week. This said when I just Take .5 ML 1 time per wk I go over 1500.

    The first thing I notice was in September my hair went dry i just 1 mo. Now it's thinned Front Back crown About the same time I started HCG.

    My next move is 2 Drop down to .25 ML Per week.

    The question is When will it stop? Will it Stop by cutting back? Will it Stop By quitting Altogether?

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    Quote Originally Posted by get'n there View Post
    I'm experiencing the hair loss also. I noticed it About about one year at After I started T 200MG 1ml per wk & it didn't stop even when I cut back to .5 ML per week. This said when I just Take .5 ML 1 time per wk I go over 1500.

    The first thing I notice was in September my hair went dry i just 1 mo. Now it's thinned Front Back crown About the same time I started HCG.

    My next move is 2 Drop down to .25 ML Per week.

    The question is When will it stop? Will it Stop by cutting back? Will it Stop By quitting Altogether?
    Sounda like the hair loss issue might not be directly related to high testosterone. I personally have high DHT on TRT. As high as 142 (16-79), and I don’t experience any hair loss. Obv there’s a big genetic component to whether DHT is going to effect our hair loss or not, and everyone’s different. But there’s a lot of other things that could be causing your hair loss while on TRT, that TRT could of triggered. For instance, some men on TRT have lower thyroid function than before they started. Also low ferritin is a big one, due to men getting their blood drawn for labs or having to donate blood due to high HCT. Both low thyroid and low ferritin can cause hair loss. Also TRT can lower magnesium, which can also effect hair loss.

    Here’s some things that you can check that have the potential to cause hair loss when low:
    Low thyroid
    Low Magnesium RBC
    Low Zinc RBC
    Low Copper RBC
    Low B12
    Low ferritin
    Low cortisol (TRT is infamous for lowering cortisol)
    Low or High E2 (not as common, but can contribute to hair loss)

    Just having one of those things low could cause hair loss. So you really need to make sure they are all where they need to be to narrow down the cause. If you’re lowering your testosterone dose and it’s not helping, my guess it has to do with something other than DHT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman86 View Post
    Sounda like the hair loss issue might not be directly related to high testosterone. I personally have high DHT on TRT. As high as 142 (16-79), and I don’t experience any hair loss. Obv there’s a big genetic component to whether DHT is going to effect our hair loss or not, and everyone’s different. But there’s a lot of other things that could be causing your hair loss while on TRT, that TRT could of triggered. For instance, some men on TRT have lower thyroid function than before they started. Also low ferritin is a big one, due to men getting their blood drawn for labs or having to donate blood due to high HCT. Both low thyroid and low ferritin can cause hair loss. Also TRT can lower magnesium, which can also effect hair loss.

    Here’s some things that you can check that have the potential to cause hair loss when low:
    Low thyroid
    Low Magnesium RBC
    Low Zinc RBC
    Low Copper RBC
    Low B12
    Low ferritin
    Low cortisol (TRT is infamous for lowering cortisol)
    Low or High E2 (not as common, but can contribute to hair loss)

    Just having one of those things low could cause hair loss. So you really need to make sure they are all where they need to be to narrow down the cause. If you’re lowering your testosterone dose and it’s not helping, my guess it has to do with something other than DHT
    Here’s some things that you can check that have the potential to cause hair loss when low:

    Low thyroid my T 4 is 7.1 & TSH is 1.16


    Low Magnesium RBC I do 1000 mg per Day


    Low Zinc RBC 50 milligrams Once a day


    Low Copper RBC Unknown


    Low B12 I do 1000 ML B 12 Once a week


    Low ferritin Unknown


    Low cortisol (TRT is infamous for lowering cortisol) Unknown


    Low or High E2 (not as common, but can contribute to hair loss) My E2 Can Run from 90 And I correct it with Anas .25 to . 5

    I use Lab corp For testing. I order the male & female Test that includes most of the basics.

    Last week I looked up there ferritin, DHT & ShbG Testing. The test Costs Are As follows Respectively , $47.49 , $123 , And $53 , Total $200 Above and beyond The test I normally take Every couple of weeks. So, Very expensive.

    I will certainly think On your recommendations. Trying to Figure it all out And go through the testing process And the high costs Make it Very difficult To pursue .

    No one in my family is bald.

    Thanks for your feedback I appreciate it.

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