I need help fighting a T-mil doctor, need as much legal advice as I can get.

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sanelb

New Member
Unfortunately, I fell trap to a T-mill clinic, and my lack of knowledge about TRT kinda screwed me.
Long story short, my lab values never waranted TRT, and the community agreed on here.
You can find the post in my profile.

Basically, I saw a non-medical doctor, (Chiropractor), who insisted I jump on the TRT again after filling out a simply questionnaire. He had me see a medical doctor in his office, that visits every Tuesday, stated that I would be a candidate for 50mg/ml of testosterone. Shortly that same evening, the non-medical doctor, who is in charge of the clinic, took me to the back of the office and injected me with 200mg/ml of testosterone, and sent me home with 4 syringes that he drew up with 200mg/ml of testosterone.

At this point, I realized that this guy wasn't following the medical doctors advice, and I found out that I really didn't need TRT, and told him by the 2nd week, that I wasn't interested. He then said I owe him 800 dollars for 10 weeks therapy. Which, I never signed any paperwork that I will be doing a 10 week therapy, and I stopped the therapy at 2 weeks.

He then proceeded to harass me constantly with emails telling me i won't find any better deals, that 800 is cheap, blah blah blah, which is not as the community agreed here as well. And earlier he threatened collections.

So basically, he wants me to pay 800 dollars for the 4 testosterone 200mg/ml syringes, he filled up, which doesn't make any sense. Since a 5ml to 10ml vial of testosterone cyponiate goes for $42-86


Do I have a case here? I never signed any paperwork.
 
Defy Medical TRT clinic doctor
Welcome to America where I can sell you a pet rock for whatever price you will pay. I don't think you have a case.
Since you signed nothing just walk away and be happy your hormones aren't all jacked up. Which probably isn't against the law either.
If he continues to harass you tell him you are calling the police.
 

OMI100

Member
What state?
You have no way of knowing what was in the syringes...
Look for a State Board or other State level review agency and file a complaint
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And now for my Mantra....
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First step is education....
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Cannot tell how much research you have done on TRT.
If not a lot, I recommend you get a few books.
Get a few good books and educate yourself now:
1. Get
Nelsons book "Testosterone: A Man's Guide".
2. Get Lee Myer's book "Natural Versus Testosterone Therapy".
3. Get “Testosterone for life - Dr. Abraham Morgentaller “.
4. Get “The Definitive Testosterone Replacement Therapy MANual: How to
OptimizeYour Testosterone For Lifelong Health And Happiness” by Jay Campbell.
These books will give you a much better understanding of TRT
....

One other forum that has great info that might be useful to you is:
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/
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Second step might be to have a look at your thyroid and see if any issues there.
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Do some research.
I do like Tiredthyroid as a starting point.
Easy to read sections.
References at the bottom of each section (and NOT from people wearing "tinfoil" hats)
See below:
Basic sources to research Thyroid issues and testing:
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https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/
Spend time here and get the 2 books, “STTM: The Revised Book” and “STTMII:Authored by Doctors”.
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http://www.tiredthyroid.com/
Great simple to understand articles.
Get her book
.... “Tired Thyroid: From Hyper to Hypo to Healing—Breaking the TSHRule”,https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asi...Channel=system
A lot of clear researched information that is easy
toread and understand.
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https://hypothyroidmom.com/
Good info here. Look around.
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https://www.restartmed.com/?s=thyroid
A LOT of good articles and a youtube page.
Spend time here looking around and reading after getting labs back.
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Need informationon on testing....
Read here:
http://www.tiredthyroid.com/what-labs.html
And here:
http://www.tiredthyroid.com/optimal-labs.html
and here:
https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/recommended-labwork/
and here:
https://www.restartmed.com/thyroid-tests/
and here:
https://www.restartmed.com/hormone-testing/
And here:
https://www.restartmed.com/normal-thyroid-levels/
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Some additional links to read before you
receivethe books you have already ordered
Go here:
http://www.allthingsmale.com/publications.html
and download:
TRT: Recipe For Success
Print out.
and
HCG Update.
and the TRT
Power Point presentation.
Dr. Crisler is one of the "TRT Cutting Edge DR's" here in the states
....

Also go here:
http://www.drjohncrisler.com/the-cri...part-deux.html
and also print out the article.

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Also look around the video section of this site. A LOT of great info there also!!!
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sanelb

New Member
I'm in the state of Pennsylvania.


I just don't want to pay $800 for something I didn't fully participate in, I never signed any documents. I figured I have some leverage here due to him not following the physicians order. I'm just afraid now because he said he is taking it collections, and I don't want to get my credit jacked up. I still have the syringes filled with testosterone 200mg/ml of testosterone that he gave me, which is of no use of for me. Since I told him I changed my mind, because 1.) he is taking matters to his own and not following the physicians order 2.) The fact that I don't even need it, especially such a large dose. 3.) the absurd price.
 
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OMI100

Member
I'm in the state of Pennsylvania.


I just don't want to pay $800 for something I didn't fully participate in, I never signed any documents. I figured I have some leverage here due to him not following the physicians order. I'm just afraid now because he said he is taking it collections, and I don't want to get my credit jacked up. I still have the syringes filled with testosterone 200mg/ml of testosterone that he gave me, which is of no use of for me. Since I told him I changed my mind, because 1.) he is taking matters to his own and not following the physicians order 2.) The fact that I don't even need it, especially such a large dose. 3.) the absurd price.
I would find a State level agency and call to see what you can do and file some type of a claim.
 

1Draw

Member
You haven't signed anything so therefore you are not liable for any unpaid portion of what he claims you owe. I would tell him if he doesn't stop harassing you, you will report him to the state medical authorities as Orrin suggested.
 

Nelson Vergel

Founder, ExcelMale.com
Like others said, report that clinic to the state medical board and block their number and email. You did not sign an agreement they can hold you accountable for.

I am sorry that you had that experience. I can tell this will make you a more empowered patient from now on.
 
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