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    Long-term TRT with no HCG - Experiences?

    In another thread, Dr. Crisler stated:

    "It's getting to be pretty well accepted that if you are on TRT, and not "Backfilling" your pathways, in time you will neither be as healthy or happy."

    However, I seem to recall reading about guys who have been on TRT for several years and not using HCG and are happy with things.

    Does that fit any of you guys - on TRT for 2 years or more, not using HCG, and everything is going well?



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    I've been on TRT for almost a year and I feel amazing, I couldn't imagine feeling any better and wonder how is it even possible! I've heard of guys say they still feel amazing 5+ years on TRT without HCG, there are those guys who just don't tolerate HCG well at any dosage. The reason I believe I'm happy without HCG is because my testicles hang no problem, having your testicles pulled up tight can cause depression and anxiety affecting your sexual self image.

    Will the wheels start falling off the wagon in a few years, who knows I guess I'll have to deal with it when/if the time comes, until then I'm living life to the fullest.

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    I have been on TRT for four years. I only added HCG in the second year because I read everything we all have and thought I'd be a good citizen. It added nothing to my subjective experience, how I feel on TRT. I dropped it for a number of months in the third year and felt...no worse. I have picked it up again, good citizen that I am, and feel no better.

    I am spectacularly happy with my protocol; TRT gave me a new life. HCG...well...
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    So without HCG howís your sex drive, erections, orgasms and ejaculate size? Iíve heard men on TRT without HCG complain about some of these things, so just curious if all is well in these departments without HCG. And even though your testicles hang fine, did they shrink even a little?

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    My ejaculation volume has been increasing along with my libido and sensitivity. If I fail to reach my previous 10-15 times per day either it has to do with Klonopin increasing libido (known fact) and or a lack of HCG.

    My sexual thoughts and fantasies are running rampant as of late. Just learned I have a pregnenolone deficiency, that might be the missing piece of the puzzle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman86 View Post
    So without HCG howís your sex drive, erections, orgasms and ejaculate size? Iíve heard men on TRT without HCG complain about some of these things, so just curious if all is well in these departments without HCG. And even though your testicles hang fine, did they shrink even a little?
    Some of us complain about sex drive, erections, even on HCG. I've been on it for 8 months.
    HCG has not helped me in any of these categories. Only a T trough in excess of 1000 sent my libido thru the roof.
    But did nothing for ED, orgasms or ejaculate size.

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    Sounds like there are no missing pieces to your puzzle lol. Didn't you say you feel amazing? What is the area that needs improving for you? Sounds like everything is going extremely well.

    I've had a pregnenolone deficiency the whole time on TRT even with HCG. I think it's either very common for people to be low in pregnenolone while on TRT, or the pregnenolone test is just not very accurate or reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman86 View Post
    Sounds like there are no missing pieces to your puzzle lol. Didn't you say you feel amazing? What is the area that needs improving for you? Sounds like everything is going extremely well.

    I've had a pregnenolone deficiency the whole time on TRT even with HCG. I think it's either very common for people to be low in pregnenolone while on TRT, or the pregnenolone test is just not very accurate or reliable.
    I have no labs to support low pregnenolone, only symptoms which I mentioned to Dr Crisler. It doesn't happen often but on occasion I experience incredible mental clarity and colors seems to be more vibrant usually only in the evenings and the one thing that hasn't improved on TRT is my sleep.

    The Klonopin is a benzodiazepine that helped with sleep when I was on it, now that it's out of my system my sleep still suffers and pregnenolone according to DR. Crisler is the brain's natural benzodiazepine, traumatic brain injury patients use pregnenolone with excellent results.

    So in my case the symptoms are more reliable than any blood test.

    I hope this isn't too far off topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S1W View Post
    In another thread, Dr. Crisler stated:

    "It's getting to be pretty well accepted that if you are on TRT, and not "Backfilling" your pathways, in time you will neither be as healthy or happy."

    However, I seem to recall reading about guys who have been on TRT for several years and not using HCG and are happy with things.

    Does that fit any of you guys - on TRT for 2 years or more, not using HCG, and everything is going well?
    I will have been on TRT for 2 years come April 2018, all is going well and 4 times a week minimum at the gym with vast improvements.
    I do have testicle shrinkage but they still hang fine in warm weather, I am in UK (Scotland) so no option of HCG

    The main thing is, my health is good, energy is very good, vast muscle increase and sexual function good. I am 53 years old and where friends are dropping off in the gym and their stomachs are expanding, I am the opposite.

    My doctor has cut back bloods to every 6 months now as they are consistent and he see's no reason for continued 3 monthly checks

    I am on Testogel - 2 x 50mg sachet per day

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    I don't notice any positives or negatives using HCG but I would not do TRT w/out it. I can tolerate it well and occasionally I'll take a month off it and then start back again. I don't like the idea of atrophy in my testicles, I want my balls plump in case I ever want to restart, only needing the pituitary signal to fire up hitting functioning leydig cells.

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    I am on testosterone, 120 mg injected once per week. No HCG or AI. 2 years on June 1, 2018. I feel great. My doctor does not feel either HCG or AI is needed as long as you are not symptomatic. He states it is not needed unless you are having symptoms. My Dr. is Abraham Morgantaler, often accused of being old fashioned with his protocol, but I canít believe how well this is working for me. Jay Campbell, of TOT Revolution, has the same opinion about keeping it simple. Makes sense to me. More variable=more that could go wrong.

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