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    Had my DHT tested, it's through the roof!!

    Hello,
    I've been on Testopel for about 4 months now, had 20 inserted twice.

    Anyway, my E2, Hemo levels have been normal for the most part. I get my blood tested every month to stay on top of things.
    Had them do a DHT test, and it came back at 1100!!

    Laboratory test finding
    11/28/2017 Dihydrotestosterone 1110 pg/mL (High) Range: 112-955


    Mind you, I am showing ZERO symptoms of high DHT (no hair loss, no frequent urination, my PSA is normal)
    I'm 52 and have pretty much a full head of hair, but I'm TERRIFIED of losing any.



    Doc is putting me on 1mg of Finasteride as a precaution.
    Any comments/suggestions?
    I was going to have them significantly lower my pellet count on next insert (from 20 down to 10/12). My T levels have hovered around 900/1100 on the 20 pellets.

    Please help!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murderface View Post
    Hello,
    I've been on Testopel for about 4 months now, had 20 inserted twice.

    Anyway, my E2, Hemo levels have been normal for the most part. I get my blood tested every month to stay on top of things.
    Had them do a DHT test, and it came back at 1100!!

    Laboratory test finding
    11/28/2017 Dihydrotestosterone 1110 pg/mL (High) Range: 112-955


    Mind you, I am showing ZERO symptoms of high DHT (no hair loss, no frequent urination, my PSA is normal)
    I'm 52 and have pretty much a full head of hair, but I'm TERRIFIED of losing any.

    Doc is putting me on 1mg of Finasteride as a precaution.
    Any comments/suggestions?
    I was going to have them significantly lower my pellet count on next insert (from 20 down to 10/12). My T levels have hovered around 900/1100 on the 20 pellets.

    Please help!!
    DO NOT TOUCH Finasteride until you have read of all the potential life long problems that it can create (such as your **** never getting hard again!)

    What was the range for your DHT test?

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    High DHT is of no concern, DHT is not evil and should not be suppressed outside of diagnosed conditions like Prostate cancer. Leave it alone, and take Weasel's advice and read about Post-Finasteride Syndrome. Do NOT take this drug.

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    Time to find another doctor. No mens health clinic or doc should ever prescribe Finasteride.
    It negative side effects can be the gift that keeps on giving even after you quit using it.

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    Might not matter to you, but you can not donate blood if you are taking Finasteride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saul View Post
    Might not matter to you, but you can not donate blood if you are taking Finasteride.
    Ive not seen that in the screening process, Finasteride by name, can you verify that?

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    Dear God dont take this drug unless you want sexual problems the rest of your life, it causes a host of other side effects such as muscle wasting and can make you feel like you're on your deathbed! Theres tons of lawsuites from post Finasteride syndrome and no known cure. Damage can be done after only one pill, it destroys the bodies ability to use DHT. Your doctor doesn't seem like he's staying medically educated.

    For the fact that you're on pellets, you need to find another doctor.
    Last edited by Systemlord; 12-06-2017 at 06:07 PM.

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    https://www.mayoclinic.org/documents/mc1402-50-pdf/doc-20228419

    In the middle under hair loss. I think this is a general list. It is not allowed where I donate. My relative's Ferritin was too high and had to stop taking it so they can donate. I will let him know your warnings about this drug. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saul View Post
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/documents/mc1402-50-pdf/doc-20228419

    In the middle under hair loss. I think this is a general list. It is not allowed where I donate. My relative's Ferritin was too high and had to stop taking it so they can donate. I will let him know your warnings about this drug. Thanks.
    I use Trimix, so ED issues are of no concern to me. My buddy has been taking Finasteride for 10 years, heís never had a single issue.

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    My doc has prescribed over 4000 ( yes, 4000) prescriptions for propecia and he never had one case where someone had permament issues or bad sexual side effects. Many of those negative reviews and experiences are actually written by lawyers and affiliates. Lawyers know they can get quick money with class action lawsuits without ever going to trial.
    as soon as someone posts about a negative experience with a drug, the lawyers pile in.
    they now have a bunch of lawsuits because of the so called severe side effects of testosterone, its ridiculous and obscene.

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    Well your T is high, therefore your DHT is high. So what would you expect? As you say just adjust your T dosage. Don't go down the path of polypharmacy without reason. Also, this is the problem with pellets. You are kind of stuck with them for a while. So if dose adjustments are needed, it's difficult versus things like injections or topicals.

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    You want high.... Last labs for me were 371ng/dl. I think that is the same as 3710pg/ml if I am converting it correctly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murderface View Post
    My buddy has been taking Finasteride for 10 years, he’s never had a single issue.
    You asked any comments or suggestions: Careful what you do here there are many research articles describing the devastation Finasteride can cause. Lots of MD's have articles on that too. Namely Dr. John Crisler who is one of the best hormone Md's around. Just google it. Trump uses it and look at him... you really wanna take that risk?

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    Finasteride: Like crossing a street and getting ran over by a bus..... NOT everyone crossing the street gets ran over by a bus, BUT if it is you, you are in a world of hurt.

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    The FDA instructed the manufacturer of Finasteride to include a warning potential users of the persistent sexual side effects users have experienced after stopping Finasteride. I've heard from guys who said they knew of the risk and are suffering for it longer after they stop Finasteride, they were desperate to regain a full head of hair but they were blind to the dangers.

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    In this video we hear from Dr. John Crisler about The Post-Finasteride Syndrome - Persistent Propecia Side Effects.
    https://www.excelmale.com/showthread...a-Side-Effects

    I would consider switching to injections.
    Most men that start with pellets stop and move to injecting. So many issues with pellets. But doctors make a lot of money inserting them.
    I am not a medical practitioner. Any suggestions I provide are not medical recommendations and are just my opinions. Please consult with your physician on any matters concerning your health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince View Post
    In this video we hear from Dr. John Crisler about The Post-Finasteride Syndrome - Persistent Propecia Side Effects.
    https://www.excelmale.com/showthread...a-Side-Effects

    I would consider switching to injections.
    Most men that start with pellets stop and move to injecting. So many issues with pellets. But doctors make a lot of money inserting them.
    Just so easy... set em and forget em. My doc wanted to bring me up, fast.
    Now bringing me down, slowly. Over the last 4 months, Iíve shed 40 lbs fat, I am RIPPED, in gym 5 days a week.
    No E2 issues, hemocrit, etc, I asked for DHT test for the helluv it. It might be fine, like I said, I havenít felt a single negative issue of the high DHT, hair is great, Iím just looking ahead. I took 1/2 mg Finasteride last night. My buddy says he takes 1mg twice a week, for the last 11 years, works for him, heís 51, I hate him, no ED issues, he screws like a rabbit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murderface View Post
    Just so easy... set em and forget em. My doc wanted to bring me up, fast.
    Now bringing me down, slowly. Over the last 4 months, I’ve shed 40 lbs fat, I am RIPPED, in gym 5 days a week.
    No E2 issues, hemocrit, etc, I asked for DHT test for the helluv it. It might be fine, like I said, I haven’t felt a single negative issue of the high DHT, hair is great, I’m just looking ahead. I took 1/2 mg Finasteride last night. My buddy says he takes 1mg twice a week, for the last 11 years, works for him, he’s 51, I hate him, no ED issues, he screws like a rabbit.
    My only comment would be don't use Finasteride.
    I am not a medical practitioner. Any suggestions I provide are not medical recommendations and are just my opinions. Please consult with your physician on any matters concerning your health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murderface View Post
    Just so easy... set em and forget em. My doc wanted to bring me up, fast.
    Now bringing me down, slowly. Over the last 4 months, I’ve shed 40 lbs fat, I am RIPPED, in gym 5 days a week.
    No E2 issues, hemocrit, etc, I asked for DHT test for the helluv it. It might be fine, like I said, I haven’t felt a single negative issue of the high DHT, hair is great, I’m just looking ahead. I took 1/2 mg Finasteride last night. My buddy says he takes 1mg twice a week, for the last 11 years, works for him, he’s 51, I hate him, no ED issues, he screws like a rabbit.
    You're playing with fire......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murderface View Post
    Just so easy... set em and forget em. My doc wanted to bring me up, fast.
    Now bringing me down, slowly. Over the last 4 months, I’ve shed 40 lbs fat, I am RIPPED, in gym 5 days a week.
    No E2 issues, hemocrit, etc, I asked for DHT test for the helluv it. It might be fine, like I said, I haven’t felt a single negative issue of the high DHT, hair is great, I’m just looking ahead. I took 1/2 mg Finasteride last night. My buddy says he takes 1mg twice a week, for the last 11 years, works for him, he’s 51, I hate him, no ED issues, he screws like a rabbit.
    You asked for our advice. Sorry it did not support what you want to do. Rock on my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murderface View Post
    Just so easy... set em and forget em. My doc wanted to bring me up, fast.
    Now bringing me down, slowly. Over the last 4 months, I’ve shed 40 lbs fat, I am RIPPED, in gym 5 days a week.
    No E2 issues, hemocrit, etc, I asked for DHT test for the helluv it. It might be fine, like I said, I haven’t felt a single negative issue of the high DHT, hair is great, I’m just looking ahead. I took 1/2 mg Finasteride last night. My buddy says he takes 1mg twice a week, for the last 11 years, works for him, he’s 51, I hate him, no ED issues, he screws like a rabbit.

    you're playing with fire!!

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    Sometime those that ask for advice or have questions have already made up their mind and can't be swayed.

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    If DHT is that high and you use small dosages of FInasteride just so dht falls into a more normal mid range level, i cant see how you would have issues. Very few guys get real issues and its usually when dht is almost totally wiped out..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murderface View Post
    Just so easy... set em and forget em. My doc wanted to bring me up, fast.
    Now bringing me down, slowly. Over the last 4 months, I’ve shed 40 lbs fat, I am RIPPED, in gym 5 days a week.
    No E2 issues, hemocrit, etc, I asked for DHT test for the helluv it. It might be fine, like I said, I haven’t felt a single negative issue of the high DHT, hair is great, I’m just looking ahead. I took 1/2 mg Finasteride last night. My buddy says he takes 1mg twice a week, for the last 11 years, works for him, he’s 51, I hate him, no ED issues, he screws like a rabbit.
    Nobody said everyone that takes Finasteride experienced side effects, so because your buddy hasn't had any side effects means no one else ever will? Laugh in the face of countless medical research articles, because there's absolutely no consequence for consuming all these chemicals.

    We all come to know medications come with side effects, to think otherwise is foolish. Often some guys didn't notice side effects right away, but after a longer period of time.

    Your experience with pellets isn't typical, so I'm not surprised it's workout for some. However you are likely lower in hormones towards the end before your next implant, most guys who workout wouldn't leave their T levels to chance. Not when you're working your butt off in the gym.
    Last edited by Systemlord; 12-07-2017 at 02:46 PM.

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    So, I've been taking Finasteride for about 2 weeks now. .5mg a day (1/2 a pill)
    1. No ill effects that I can detect.
    2. INCREASED nocturnal erections.
    3. INCREASED Libido.

    I'm getting my blood tested again, next week, to check my levels.

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    when you use finasteride, less T is converted to dht so total T levels do rise about 15-20%.. a lot of guys i know who use Finasteride report similar effects( more erections/ libido ). Estrogen can also raise by 15% which usually isnt a problem unless you have higher estrogen levels to begin with.
    my theory on finasteride is it is a very good drug for keeping dht in the very low range of normal to a little below normal.
    the problems that do occur probably happen when dht is close to zero. I am guessing dht fuels certain parts of the body and having no dht causes them to, for lack of a better word, to atrophy. Like the testes, it takes a while for things to get back to normal. Like the testes or pituitary, sometimes it never returns to normal. Keeping low levels, not too low of a level, probably prevents this from happening. I highly doubt most guys that use finasteride ever bother to get a baseline dht level done nor do they get one done while using fin to ensure dht isnt too low. To me, that is very important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Systemlord View Post
    Dear God dont take this drug unless you want sexual problems the rest of your life, it causes a host of other side effects such as muscle wasting and can make you feel like you're on your deathbed! Theres tons of lawsuites from post Finasteride syndrome and no known cure. Damage can be done after only one pill, it destroys the bodies ability to use DHT. Your doctor doesn't seem like he's staying medically educated.

    For the fact that you're on pellets, you need to find another doctor.
    I think this is a bit of hyperbole. While I personally wouldn't take Finasteride or prescribe it, there are many men who do and experience zero issues with the drug. I have talked to quite a few doctors who prescribe this and none of their patients have any problems, including Dr. Rassman from balding blog. There are patients who take 5mg per day for BPH that don't have any issues with it either, so its not an automatic doom pill. There are also people who recovered by making drastic changes to their diet and lifestyle and the whole "it messes up your bodies ability to use DHT" lacks human data. Some of the recovery stories I have read about had many of them using DHT derived prohormones so that shows DHT still has an effect. Guys who seem to get messed up from Finasteride have poor digestive health and Finasteride seems to exacerbate this condition. Once the gut goes, you are in a world of hurt. I don't see any clinical difference in side effects from people with PFS and Chronic fatigue syndrome, they present almost exactly the same.

    A recent RCT with Finasteride actually had the PLACEBO group report more sexual side effects than the Finasteride group, as a medical researcher, you absolutely have to account for a large nocebo effect here. Still, I personally wouldn't take it, I've taken saw palmetto (some users report getting PFS from this) and it didn't even lower my DHT levels per lab results (DHT was 69 reference range: 30-80) and had no issues with libido or erections/mood. Finasteride definitely WILL lower your serum DHT though. I mean, why don't we see the media commercials/hype and horror stories from Proscar, which is stronger than Propecia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin_C View Post
    I think this is a bit of hyperbole. While I personally wouldn't take Finasteride or prescribe it, there are many men who do and experience zero issues with the drug. I have talked to quite a few doctors who prescribe this and none of their patients have any problems, including Dr. Rassman from balding blog. There are patients who take 5mg per day for BPH that don't have any issues with it either, so its not an automatic doom pill. There are also people who recovered by making drastic changes to their diet and lifestyle and the whole "it messes up your bodies ability to use DHT" lacks human data. Some of the recovery stories I have read about had many of them using DHT derived prohormones so that shows DHT still has an effect. Guys who seem to get messed up from Finasteride have poor digestive health and Finasteride seems to exacerbate this condition. Once the gut goes, you are in a world of hurt. I don't see any clinical difference in side effects from people with PFS and Chronic fatigue syndrome, they present almost exactly the same.

    A recent RCT with Finasteride actually had the PLACEBO group report more sexual side effects than the Finasteride group, as a medical researcher, you absolutely have to account for a large nocebo effect here. Still, I personally wouldn't take it, I've taken saw palmetto (some users report getting PFS from this) and it didn't even lower my DHT levels per lab results (DHT was 69 reference range: 30-80) and had no issues with libido or erections/mood. Finasteride definitely WILL lower your serum DHT though. I mean, why don't we see the media commercials/hype and horror stories from Proscar, which is stronger than Propecia?
    I didn't know that there was a link to gut health and Finasteride and is new information for me, I knew there had to be a trigger as to why some seem to have more problems with it than the next guy. I knew someone who had taken Klonopin for a few years and the withdrawal seem to destroy her gut health and things got really bad for awhile, she looked as if she was anorexic.

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    Iíve studied PFS quite extensively , some of the guys who recovered had found links to poor gut health as the catalyst . Also, if you look at other drugs that have harmed some like accurate, you will see all the IBS and gut problems as well. Iíve always had a great gut, accutane just gave me a dry face and chapped lips. You canít even file a lawsuit against Roche/accutane unless you are diagnosed with IBS.

    I am seeing a trend with this and recovery stories have all started in the gut .

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