full thyroid lab panel, input pls

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Rkhal

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I had a full thyroid panel done due to my pre TRT bloodwork showing a high TSH of 3.7. Does anyone have any input on these follow up labs? rT3 is a little high and T3 is a little below mid range, I don't think this warrants medication though, or am I wrong? Luckily all the antibody tests look good I believe?


free T4 1.34 ng/dL 0.82 - 1.77
TSH 3.54 uIU/mL 0.450 - 4.5
reverse T3 18.1 ng/dL 9.2 - 24.1
Thyroglobulin antibody <1 IU/mL 0.0 - 0.9
Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 12 IU/mL 0 - 34
Triidothyronine, free, serum 3.0 pg/mL 2.0 - 4.4

In terms of hypo symptoms, skin on my body is very dry (altho skin on my face quite oily since starting TRT), and my joints are a little sore (TRT seems to be helping here, but slowly). Energy is good and stay lean/muscular very easily. I don’t really gain much fat no matter what I eat, especially since starting TRT and pigging out lately lol. I'm on about week 5 of TRT.
 
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Have you had any iron labs run, namely iron, serum, and Ferritin? If you're low on iron the RT3 can show "pooling" whereas the T3 isn't making it in to the cells due to an iron deficiency, or iron anemia.
 

Rkhal

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Have you had any iron labs run, namely iron, serum, and Ferritin? If you're low on iron the RT3 can show "pooling" whereas the T3 isn't making it in to the cells due to an iron deficiency, or iron anemia.

No iron or ferritin labs, but I did have the initial defy lab work. I read that blood labs like mcv can give a clue into anemia, but I don't see anything that looks too off there. I also eat a high protein diet, alot of chick beef salmon, and I usually snack on nuts, I believe these are all high iron foods.
hemoglobin 14.9 range 12.6 - 17.7
hematocrit 45.5 range 37.5 - 51
rbc 4.87 range 4.14 - 5.80
wbc 3.5 range 3.4 - 10.8
mcv 93 range 79 - 97
platelets 169 range 150 - 379
 
Vetester Chris (send him a PM link to this thread) is our Thyroid guru though I'm learning quickly...but we ma need to see some iron labs. Though you eat high iron diet you can still be low, I'm not sure that there's another answer for the possible RT3 pooling as the remainder of your numbers look fine to me.
 

meanbreen

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Vetester Chris (send him a PM link to this thread) is our Thyroid guru though I'm learning quickly...but we ma need to see some iron labs. Though you eat high iron diet you can still be low, I'm not sure that there's another answer for the possible RT3 pooling as the remainder of your numbers look fine to me.
I'm not an expert myself but I was under the impression that RT3 issues and pooling were two different things? I thought pooling was when T3 was too high, and high RT3 means that T4 wasn't converting to T3.
 

HarryCat

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Do you take any supplements with iodine or use iodized salt? If not you may want to consider taking some. There is a wide variety of opinion on what dose is optimum but you may want to read up on Dr. Brownstein his book is "Iodine: Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live Without It"
 

Rkhal

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Do you take any supplements with iodine or use iodized salt? If not you may want to consider taking some. There is a wide variety of opinion on what dose is optimum but you may want to read up on Dr. Brownstein his book is "Iodine: Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live Without It"

I started supplementing with iodine and selenium recently. Very possible I have been iodine deficient for a long time as I don't think I ever used to buy iodized salt. I'm a little nervous about some of the recommended high doses I have read about, heard some very mixed opinions on that, so I'm more comfortable just sticking with a smaller dose.
 

Vettester Chris

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I had a full thyroid panel done due to my pre TRT bloodwork showing a high TSH of 3.7. Does anyone have any input on these follow up labs? rT3 is a little high and T3 is a little below mid range, I don't think this warrants medication though, or am I wrong? Luckily all the antibody tests look good I believe?


free T4 1.34 ng/dL 0.82 - 1.77
TSH 3.54 uIU/mL 0.450 - 4.5
reverse T3 18.1 ng/dL 9.2 - 24.1
Thyroglobulin antibody <1 IU/mL 0.0 - 0.9
Thyroid Peroxidase (TPO) Ab 12 IU/mL 0 - 34
Triidothyronine, free, serum 3.0 pg/mL 2.0 - 4.4

In terms of hypo symptoms, skin on my body is very dry (altho skin on my face quite oily since starting TRT), and my joints are a little sore (TRT seems to be helping here, but slowly). Energy is good and stay lean/muscular very easily. I don't really gain much fat no matter what I eat, especially since starting TRT and pigging out lately lol. I'm on about week 5 of TRT.

Okay, at first glance we see Free T4 and Free T3, and where they sit in their respective reference ranges.
FT4 is at 54.7%
FT3 is at 41.6%

If all things were semi-optimal, you would probably want to see both values in the 50% to 80% area of the reference range, and hopefully both FT4 and FT3 would be sitting relatively close to each other (e.g., FT4 at 67% and FT3 is at 64%). Being that FT3 is essentially what makes the greatest impact on energy, metabolism, ATP, etc., you will no doubt be seeing the "Hypo" type symptoms you described when it is low.

On the Reverse T3, we are usually aiming to compare it against FT3 in a ratio analysis, taking FT3/RT3. Your ratio is 16.6. Ideally, most would probably want to see this >20.

To talk about "pooling". Yes, the RT3/FT3 ratio is used as a marker for pooling of T3, meaning FT3 isn't adequately making it to the cells in the body, thus it's pooling or building up redundantly. T4 converts to T3-FT3, and./but it also converts to RT3 via 5'deiodinase. When all things are in balance, T4 will convert adequately to T3/FT3, and there will also be "x" amount of T4 converting to RT3. When things are NOT in balance (iron, ferritn, cortisol primarily), the body will shift a bit and T4 will convert more RT3. This also happens in cases where the body needs to conserve energy, i.e., illness, injury, internal stress, etc.

Iron is pertinent with transporting T3 to the cells. When iron and/or ferritin is low, FT3 isn't getting circulated, so instead of T4 continuously converting downstream to T3/FT3, it will shift gears to convert more RT3 as mentioned above. So yes, as 'meanbreen' noted, they are indeed Two (2) different things, but they are closely correlated. FT3 doesn't always need to be elevated to be in a pooling state. Lots of times we actually see it elevated and pooling because men/women are taking medications like NDT, which is combination T4 & T3 (T2, and T1 also), so this is causing a spike in FT3 serum levels.

As Vince Carter has noted, the best thing right now would be to get that iron serum and ferritin labs. This should also be supported with electrolytes and vitamin D. Cortisol is also key, but for now start with the easier labs, unless you can get a 4x cortisol saliva test? Don't settle for a 1x morning blood draw for this test.

Lastly, many times various nutrients play a role in this as well. Selenium and iodine are crucial for 5-deiodinase conversion of T4 to T3 (not confused with it's counter related enzyme, 5'deiodinase with RT3). IMO, don't rule either one of these out. I have read cases where people have vastly improved subclinical hypothyroidism with only adding selenium to the mix. Plus, it works wonders with people struggling with elevated TPO.

Hope some of this helps, and at least gives you a few angles to research and think about. I'll try to keep an eye out for any updates or additional questions /comments.
 
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