Bloated and Swollen on Testosterone: What Tests to Run

CoastWatcher said:

https://www.excelmale.com/forum/sho...ne-Man-s-Enemy-or-Friend&highlight=Dht+friend

Please keep in mind that DHT is not a waste product and can be suppressed with more enthusiasm than is called for.

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CoastWatcher said:

Please, please, please have NOTHING to do with propecia (finasteride) or saw palmetto. Use of it is akin to playing Russian Roulette with your endocrine system. Google "post finasteride syndrome" to read how use of this drug can Rob men of libido, erectile function, energy, and focus.[/QUOte


I Googled saw palmetto and testosterone and all I got back was positive links, an you expand?

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blackebob said:

CoastWatcher said:

Please, please, please have NOTHING to do with propecia (finasteride) or saw palmetto. Use of it is akin to playing Russian Roulette with your endocrine system. Google "post finasteride syndrome" to read how use of this drug can Rob men of libido, erectile function, energy, and focus.[/QUOte


I Googled saw palmetto and testosterone and all I got back was positive links, an you expand?

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Saw palmetto is a 5α-Reductase inhibitor; it blocks the conversion of testosterone to DHT. It's clearly established that DHT, far more potent that testosterone, is an absolutely necessary hormone for men (particularly in the area of libido and erectile function). "A pooled summary of all randomized, placebo-controlled trials evaluating 5ARIs (N = 62,827) revealed slightly increased rates over placebo for decreased libido, erectile dysfunction, ejaculatory dysfunction (EjD), and gynecomastia." Side Effects of 5-Alpha Reductase Inhibitors: A Comprehensive Review, Sexual Medicine Review, 2013 May. As Dr. John Crisler states in the link below, it's something that can lead to significant problems. http://drjohncrisler.com/post-finasteride-syndrome.html

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CoastWatcher said:

blackebob said:

Saw palmetto is a 5α-Reductase inhibitor; it blocks the conversion of testosterone to DHT. It's clearly established that DHT, far more potent that testosterone, is an absolutely necessary hormone for men (particularly in the area of libido and erectile function). "A pooled summary of all randomized, placebo-controlled trials evaluating 5ARIs (N = 62,827) revealed slightly increased rates over placebo for decreased libido, erectile dysfunction, ejaculatory dysfunction (EjD), and gynecomastia." Side Effects of 5-Alpha Reductase Inhibitors: A Comprehensive Review, Sexual Medicine Review, 2013 May. As Dr. John Crisler states in the link below, it's something that can lead to significant problems. http://drjohncrisler.com/post-finasteride-syndrome.html

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Thank you that was 100% contradictory to everything that I pulled up on the net. I never would have made that connection but I'm trying to pick up on these medical terms.

no more saw palmetto.

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blackebob said:

CoastWatcher said:

Thank you that was 100% contradictory to everything that I pulled up on the net. I never would have made that connection but I'm trying to pick up on these medical terms.

no more saw palmetto.

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It's astonishing how easy it is to take one wrong step on this journey and wind up in a ditch...

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tomas said:

Appreciate the feedback. I am going to start applying 1/2 gram to my shoulders and then retest again. If that does not bring it up I will try again and see if I can get on injections.

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Will Brink said:

Those TT numbers should be before you started TRT. That's terrible. What is your BMI, or better yet, bodyfat %? Have you ever had a full cardio work up? BP is ok?

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tomas said:

Injections fixed the problem. All the creams did was raise my DHT. Last labs were night and day different.

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