Viagra or Cialis: Which gets you Harder?

[Bbobtucker]

Viagra sides are terrible for me, headaches and stuffiness. I tolerate Cialis and take 5mg every day. I also take L-citrulline and Pycnogenol daily.

Viagra worked as intended, I just hated the sides. Cialis works hit and miss and decent quality when it works.

But the best (for me), hands down, with no sides is bi or tri mix shots. Crazy hard, no effort needed. No worrying if your junk will work or if you'll need a break in the middle at all. Get the dose dialed in and it works for the next couple hours and goes away afterwards. Nice quality erections too. I can usually get hard on my own but sometimes I can't stay that way. This is my back up plan of choice.

PT141 and melanotan ii (wicked tan included) work like mad for me. Bonkers long lasting spontaneous erections for two or three days. Like potentially embarrassing school class room hard ons, haha. Was a bit much though popping wood so hard it would wake me up at night thinking my wee wee may split the skin. Probably the hardest I have ever been, including as a teen. Was worried it wouldn't go away several times throughout but the erections, although long lasting (anywhere from 10 min to an hour) they would eventually come and go steady for a couple/few days.

Someone earlier mentioned their libido went through the roof on viagra (I think, too lazy to quote them, sorry). I have discovered that getting and obtaining an erection is not libido and libido is not an erection. Two different things with different treatments if needed.

I can get erect all I want as often as I want, but I can only orgasm once a day maybe, sometimes twice. Any more erection is a waste on me. What I mean to say is being hard shouldn't be confused with being horny.

 

[Wolverine]

Viagra sides are terrible for me, headaches and stuffiness. I tolerate Cialis and take 5mg every day. I also take L-citrulline and Pycnogenol daily.

Viagra worked as intended, I just hated the sides. Cialis works hit and miss and decent quality when it works.

But the best (for me), hands down, with no sides is bi or tri mix shots. Crazy hard, no effort needed. No worrying if your junk will work or if you'll need a break in the middle at all. Get the dose dialed in and it works for the next couple hours and goes away afterwards. Nice quality erections too. I can usually get hard on my own but sometimes I can't stay that way. This is my back up plan of choice.

PT141 and melanotan ii (wicked tan included) work like mad for me. Bonkers long lasting spontaneous erections for two or three days. Like potentially embarrassing school class room hard ons, haha. Was a bit much though popping wood so hard it would wake me up at night thinking my wee wee may split the skin. Probably the hardest I have ever been, including as a teen. Was worried it wouldn't go away several times throughout but the erections, although long lasting (anywhere from 10 min to an hour) they would eventually come and go steady for a couple/few days.

Someone earlier mentioned their libido went through the roof on viagra (I think, too lazy to quote them, sorry). I have discovered that getting and obtaining an erection is not libido and libido is not an erection. Two different things with different treatments if needed.

I can get erect all I want as often as I want, but I can only orgasm once a day maybe, sometimes twice. Any more erection is a waste on me. What I mean to say is being hard shouldn't be confused with being horny.

What was your dosage of PT-141? Dosage of Melanotan ii? Which did you like better, PT-141 or Melanotan ii? I've got some PT-141, but am intrigued about the sunless tan from mii. Tx

 

[Goel]

What was your dosage of PT-141? Dosage of Melanotan ii? Which did you like better, PT-141 or Melanotan ii? I've got some PT-141, but am intrigued about the sunless tan from mii. Tx

Having recently tried PT-141 I started at .10 mg, then .15, then .20 each separated by at least one week duration. FOR ME, .20 was too much and border line perma-boner. Not quite at the level of priapism but I got a good preview of what that would be like and all locker room jesting aside, I would not want to go there. .10 worked but was a little disappointed by the duration and Rockwell scale. .15 is just right, again, for me, but I've heard some people need up to .25mg. Based on my experience I'll never attempt that dosage. But your mileage may vary, just start low and increase with a suitable rest period of 7 days or more.

 

[Bbobtucker]

What was your dosage of PT-141? Dosage of Melanotan ii? Which did you like better, PT-141 or Melanotan ii? I've got some PT-141, but am intrigued about the sunless tan from mii. Tx

**This should not be used as medical advice or as a recommendation in any way shape or form. The peptides used were not prescription and resourced from the darkest sketchiest corners of internet (I am aware there is a prescription version of pt now). That said, it seems only appropriate to use the internet for dosing. Sketchy web research suggests about 0.025 mg/kg for both. I have a higher risk tolerance for peptide trials that some others I guess.

melanotan II & PT 141 both came in a 10mg bottle, reconstituted with 2ml bac water the suggested dose for my weight is .4 ml. Yes, almost half a 1 ml syringe! I thought that crazy and started with half that (many of the other peptides I have tried call for much smaller microgram doses).

I have used melanotan II twice. I get mild flushing for about 30 min after each shot that never diminished the longer I took it. Regarding tanning - The first time I used the half .2ml dose every other day. Wound up WAY to tan. Unnatural dark tan. I spend a great deal of time in the sun (wearing little clothing) though so it was just passed of to that. Second go round (the following summer) I only used .05 dose every other day and then spent an unusual amount of time outdoors doing yard work and got a wicked farmers tan that took a long time sunbathing to even out and still wound up way to dark. This stuff is no joke for the tanning. So if using, start slow and be sure to get even sun. My face got darkest once and I just wound up looking dirty almost. Lots of stories on the web about results. The one bonus to being that dark is no sunburn. I was able to stay in the sun for hours even though mid day and not burn. Regarding erections - silly random long lasting extremely hard erections. Almost embarrassing and popping up whenever the heck it felt like it no matter what I was doing and wouldn't go away quickly. Made my wee wee so sensitive that just touching my pants triggered it and the harder it got the better the strain felt and damn thing wouldn't go away easily. The .05 dose, I found random erections would last about three+ days so I went to once a week on dosing for remainder of bottle. Was really funny tho to see my wife's face when she would look over and wham, I'd be hard as a rock for no reason.

Similar results with PT. I did have similar mild flushing and some tummy cramping. Mild but present. More like hunger cramps almost but mild. Only lasted slightly longer than the flushing. No tan with PT but the erections similar to above. I may get more just to try lower doses more often and see what happens. Otherwise the erections are just too damn ridiculous and unpredictable.

For me and after a looooong ED journey I have discovered that getting erect is only part of my solution. I have to be horny also and getting hard doesn't just automagically make me randy and I can only orgasm once a day or so so I don't need to get hard every time the wind blows.

I really prefer a small daily Cialis dose and bimix when needed as a go to solution. I like the way the L-citrulline and Pycnogenol keep me veiney looking when working out and I also take a pygeum daily which seems to make me produce precum like crazy when aroused.

So prescribed hrt has me on trt (2x week), vit D, and dhea (daily). and I add to that cialis, L-citrulline (powder in coffee/juice), Pycnogenol, and pygeum. With a Bimix or trimix shot when needed. Hey, it's what works for me. Thanks!

**Edit - tanning - I don't know what color/shade of white I am, I think there is a scale somewhere. But I am not pasty white and tan pretty easily normally. I went from white to middle eastern or central american more olive skin color. Please do your own homework before using and read all about the potential sides before using.

 

[Wolverine]

**This should not be used as medical advice or as a recommendation in any way shape or form. The peptides used were not prescription and resourced from the darkest sketchiest corners of internet (I am aware there is a prescription version of pt now). That said, it seems only appropriate to use the internet for dosing. Sketchy web research suggests about 0.025 mg/kg for both. I have a higher risk tolerance for peptide trials that some others I guess.

melanotan II & PT 141 both came in a 10mg bottle, reconstituted with 2ml bac water the suggested dose for my weight is .4 ml. Yes, almost half a 1 ml syringe! I thought that crazy and started with half that (many of the other peptides I have tried call for much smaller microgram doses).

I have used melanotan II twice. I get mild flushing for about 30 min after each shot that never diminished the longer I took it. Regarding tanning - The first time I used the half .2ml dose every other day. Wound up WAY to tan. Unnatural dark tan. I spend a great deal of time in the sun (wearing little clothing) though so it was just passed of to that. Second go round (the following summer) I only used .05 dose every other day and then spent an unusual amount of time outdoors doing yard work and got a wicked farmers tan that took a long time sunbathing to even out and still wound up way to dark. This stuff is no joke for the tanning. So if using, start slow and be sure to get even sun. My face got darkest once and I just wound up looking dirty almost. Lots of stories on the web about results. The one bonus to being that dark is no sunburn. I was able to stay in the sun for hours even though mid day and not burn. Regarding erections - silly random long lasting extremely hard erections. Almost embarrassing and popping up whenever the heck it felt like it no matter what I was doing and wouldn't go away quickly. Made my wee wee so sensitive that just touching my pants triggered it and the harder it got the better the strain felt and damn thing wouldn't go away easily. The .05 dose, I found random erections would last about three+ days so I went to once a week on dosing for remainder of bottle. Was really funny tho to see my wife's face when she would look over and wham, I'd be hard as a rock for no reason.

Similar results with PT. I did have similar mild flushing and some tummy cramping. Mild but present. More like hunger cramps almost but mild. Only lasted slightly longer than the flushing. No tan with PT but the erections similar to above. I may get more just to try lower doses more often and see what happens. Otherwise the erections are just too damn ridiculous and unpredictable.

For me and after a looooong ED journey I have discovered that getting erect is only part of my solution. I have to be horny also and getting hard doesn't just automagically make me randy and I can only orgasm once a day or so so I don't need to get hard every time the wind blows.

I really prefer a small daily Cialis dose and bimix when needed as a go to solution. I like the way the L-citrulline and Pycnogenol keep me veiney looking when working out and I also take a pygeum daily which seems to make me produce precum like crazy when aroused.

So prescribed hrt has me on trt (2x week), vit D, and dhea (daily). and I add to that cialis, L-citrulline (powder in coffee/juice), Pycnogenol, and pygeum. With a Bimix or trimix shot when needed. Hey, it's what works for me. Thanks!

**Edit - tanning - I don't know what color/shade of white I am, I think there is a scale somewhere. But I am not pasty white and tan pretty easily normally. I went from white to middle eastern or central american more olive skin color. Please do your own homework before using and read all about the potential sides before using.

Thank you for the detailed response! Very informative.

 

[Charliebizz]

My problem with cialis and viagra that they only give good erection. I need libidooooooo
Otherwise it would mean nothing to have a good erection and you can’t complete the job. I hope this pt-141 can do something

Have you ever tried switching to the transcrotal compounded cream. I have decent libido on injections. But man I switched to the cream and it was sky high. Almost too much. However I do not feel well overall with super high test levels and find the 2x a day application annoying and had sleep issues. I also was getting insane erections on and off all day. On injections I very rarely get spontaneous ones and night wood only about 75% hard.

 

[M.J]

Have you ever tried switching to the transcrotal compounded cream. I have decent libido on injections. But man I switched to the cream and it was sky high. Almost too much. However I do not feel well overall with super high test levels and find the 2x a day application annoying and had sleep issues. I also was getting insane erections on and off all day. On injections I very rarely get spontaneous ones and night wood only about 75% hard.

I wish I can reach this level. Does it last ?
I tried the cream with no results. My latest finding is when I stop HCG I get high libido not sure if it last or just happen because of protocol change.
“I know this cuz I travel almost every two month in in my trips libido increases”

I have also found b12 help yet not as I want.

 

[Charliebizz]

I wish I can reach this level. Does it last ?
I tried the cream with no results. My latest finding is when I stop HCG I get high libido not sure if it last or just happen because of protocol change.
“I know this cuz I travel almost every two month in in my trips libido increases”

I have also found b12 help yet not as I want.

I’m honestly not sure if it lasts. I couldn’t tolerate the side effects at 4 clicks a day. And when I lowered it libido went down a bit. I do however always get major libido boosts when changing protocols. But I never had erections that intense during my trt journey. But man that 4 clicks a day had me feeling like I was 18 in the erection department

 

[M.J]

I’m honestly not sure if it lasts. I couldn’t tolerate the side effects at 4 clicks a day. And when I lowered it libido went down a bit. I do however always get major libido boosts when changing protocols. But I never had erections that intense during my trt journey. But man that 4 clicks a day had me feeling like I was 18 in the erection department

How strong is your cream ? I tried i couldn’t feel anything. But for sure during my travel every two month when I stop hcg I get boost in libido. I am not sure if I stopped hcg libido will stay like this or it’s only temporarily due to protocol change.
Can’t stop hcg/FSH cuz planning to get one final child let see if it meant to be or not

 

[Charliebizz]

How strong is your cream ? I tried i couldn’t feel anything. But for sure during my travel every two month when I stop hcg I get boost in libido. I am not sure if I stopped hcg libido will stay like this or it’s only temporarily due to protocol change.
Can’t stop hcg/FSH cuz planning to get one final child let see if it meant to be or not

Was the 20% heavy hrt base from empower. 200mg per ml.

 

[Lumalux]

**This should not be used as medical advice or as a recommendation in any way shape or form. The peptides used were not prescription and resourced from the darkest sketchiest corners of internet (I am aware there is a prescription version of pt now). That said, it seems only appropriate to use the internet for dosing. Sketchy web research suggests about 0.025 mg/kg for both. I have a higher risk tolerance for peptide trials that some others I guess.

melanotan II & PT 141 both came in a 10mg bottle, reconstituted with 2ml bac water the suggested dose for my weight is .4 ml. Yes, almost half a 1 ml syringe! I thought that crazy and started with half that (many of the other peptides I have tried call for much smaller microgram doses).

I have used melanotan II twice. I get mild flushing for about 30 min after each shot that never diminished the longer I took it. Regarding tanning - The first time I used the half .2ml dose every other day. Wound up WAY to tan. Unnatural dark tan. I spend a great deal of time in the sun (wearing little clothing) though so it was just passed of to that. Second go round (the following summer) I only used .05 dose every other day and then spent an unusual amount of time outdoors doing yard work and got a wicked farmers tan that took a long time sunbathing to even out and still wound up way to dark. This stuff is no joke for the tanning. So if using, start slow and be sure to get even sun. My face got darkest once and I just wound up looking dirty almost. Lots of stories on the web about results. The one bonus to being that dark is no sunburn. I was able to stay in the sun for hours even though mid day and not burn. Regarding erections - silly random long lasting extremely hard erections. Almost embarrassing and popping up whenever the heck it felt like it no matter what I was doing and wouldn't go away quickly. Made my wee wee so sensitive that just touching my pants triggered it and the harder it got the better the strain felt and damn thing wouldn't go away easily. The .05 dose, I found random erections would last about three+ days so I went to once a week on dosing for remainder of bottle. Was really funny tho to see my wife's face when she would look over and wham, I'd be hard as a rock for no reason.

Similar results with PT. I did have similar mild flushing and some tummy cramping. Mild but present. More like hunger cramps almost but mild. Only lasted slightly longer than the flushing. No tan with PT but the erections similar to above. I may get more just to try lower doses more often and see what happens. Otherwise the erections are just too damn ridiculous and unpredictable.

For me and after a looooong ED journey I have discovered that getting erect is only part of my solution. I have to be horny also and getting hard doesn't just automagically make me randy and I can only orgasm once a day or so so I don't need to get hard every time the wind blows.

I really prefer a small daily Cialis dose and bimix when needed as a go to solution. I like the way the L-citrulline and Pycnogenol keep me veiney looking when working out and I also take a pygeum daily which seems to make me produce precum like crazy when aroused.

So prescribed hrt has me on trt (2x week), vit D, and dhea (daily). and I add to that cialis, L-citrulline (powder in coffee/juice), Pycnogenol, and pygeum. With a Bimix or trimix shot when needed. Hey, it's what works for me. Thanks!

**Edit - tanning - I don't know what color/shade of white I am, I think there is a scale somewhere. But I am not pasty white and tan pretty easily normally. I went from white to middle eastern or central american more olive skin color. Please do your own homework before using and read all about the potential sides before using.

For me, being able to get hard easily and getting spontaneous erections raises my libido, so it's kind of a circular causation thing.

 

[Fernando Almaguer]

For me, being able to get hard easily and getting spontaneous erections raises my libido, so it's kind of a circular causation thing.

When I spend some 3-4 hours in the sun and get some moving in. My erections are great even after not using viagra or cialas. I find this amazing.

 

[Lumalux]

When I spend some 3-4 hours in the sun and get some moving in. My erections are great even after not using viagra or cialas. I find this amazing.

Totally agree with this. While sunbathing, I get frequent erections, and the high libido and sense of well-being lasts for days after a day in the sun.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

Interesting thread, you guys!

Here is some more info that may help

How Do ED Drugs Compare? Cialis vs Viagra vs Levitra vs Stendra

A study attempted to look specifically at patient preference when trying to determine choice of PDE5I. This was a prospective, randomized, open-label, fixed-dose, preference study with cross-over design that attempted to compare efficacy and patient preference between sildenafil, vardenafil and...

www.excelmale.com

Cialis is a no-go for me even at 5 mg/day. My PED5 receptors may be screwed up since I get all side effects (backache is the worst).

Viagra is OK and so is Levitra. Stendra did nothing for me.

And, yes, TRIMIX is the best. But I do not recommend to anyone to try it unless you are tired of not being able to predict your performance. Once you "bite the apple" with TRIMIX, your mind will play tricks on you.

Check the last link on item 3 on this page: Trimix Medication and Injection Instructions

 

[Lumalux]

Interesting thread, you guys!

Here is some more info that may help

How Do ED Drugs Compare? Cialis vs Viagra vs Levitra vs Stendra

A study attempted to look specifically at patient preference when trying to determine choice of PDE5I. This was a prospective, randomized, open-label, fixed-dose, preference study with cross-over design that attempted to compare efficacy and patient preference between sildenafil, vardenafil and...

www.excelmale.com

Cialis is a no-go for me even at 5 mg/day. My PED5 receptors may be screwed up since I get all side effects (backache is the worst).

Viagra is OK and so is Levitra. Stendra did nothing for me.

And, yes, TRIMIX is the best. But I do not recommend to anyone to try it unless you are tired of not being able to predict your performance. Once you "bite the apple" with TRIMIX, your mind will play tricks on you.

Check the last link on item 3 on this page: Trimix Medication and Injection Instructions

The backaches from Cialis can be debilitating (if only temporarily).

 

[Stpfan]

Cialis is a no-go for me even at 5 mg/day. My PED5 receptors may be screwed up since I get all side effects (backache is the worst).

Same here Nelson. Cialis gives me awful backaches and also odd upper leg pain. Just a throbbing pain.

 

[RickB]

Viagra always worked great and Cialis seldom did anything positive. Now neither works for me at all. Both make me very red, more so than they did in the past. I'm not motivated enough to check the manufacturer of my current supply and see if they are different than what I got in the past. It could be that, or it could be that I am just falling apart.

(In before someone tries to claim that all generics are the same and are the same as the brand names....Definitely not true.)

 

[BJE]

I don’t know if it’s been said already but I’ll add that now that Cialis and Viagra are both available in the United States as generics they are so cheap that there’s little reason not to use them. I use 5mg Cialis daily and add 50mg Viagra on sex nights which is every other night. I have prescriptions from my doctor and buy them locally with a GoodRx coupon. I get three months supply at a time. The Viagra is 180 doses because I cut them in half. I get 100mg viagra tablets and cut them in half which is cheaper than buying 50mg tablets. The cost per dose of Cialis is 8.3 cents and the cost per dose of Viagra is 9.5 cents.

 

[MDavidW76]

I’ve always wondered if there is a genetic component to these medications as far as sides are concerned, I take generic tadalafil, 5mg daily, no sides at all. Have never seen nor tried any of the “gas station” variety, but apparently (according to Mens Health) one of their authors lives nearby in Spokane, and he was able to find all the contraband gas station dick pills. I’ve seen the FDA warnings that tell you they contain analogues of most PDE5 meds.

 

[RickB]

Update. New partner. Viagra working again.