Testosterone propionate for TRT

What brand of prop was this? And were you using HCG or an ai, or just prop? And what is your SHBG? Seems like prop usually works better for guys with mid to high SHBG, than low, so just curious where yours was since it worked so well for you.
I was using local compound pharm Prop.... I have low SHBG (bottom 5-10% of labcorp range)... no AI's.... no Hcg
 
Wow, so there goes my theory about low SHBG guys having a hard time with propionate due to them clearing testosterone too quickly.

So it’s a little early for me to tell for sure, as I’ve only done 2 injections of prop so far, but seems that Empower’s prop is definitely giving me some PIP. It’s not too bad, but a little annoying. Nothing that would make me discontinue using it or anything. I’m injecting 35mg EOD into my outter thighs.
 
Wow, so there goes my theory about low SHBG guys having a hard time with propionate due to them clearing testosterone too quickly.

So it’s a little early for me to tell for sure, as I’ve only done 2 injections of prop so far, but seems that Empower’s prop is definitely giving me some PIP. It’s not too bad, but a little annoying. Nothing that would make me discontinue using it or anything. I’m injecting 35mg EOD into my outter thighs.
I started at outer thigh and had the same bit of pip but its close to the same as what I had with Empowers cyp. I said the hell with it and went straight subq in the belly and haven't had an issue the last few days.
 
I started at outer thigh and had the same bit of pip but its close to the same as what I had with Empowers cyp. I said the hell with it and went straight subq in the belly and haven't had an issue the last few days.
Ya the pip is definitely noticeable. It’s been pretty annoying the last few days. It’s early, and I can definitely deal with it, but I’m just thinking about whether it’s something I can deal with forever. Nice to know that sub q is an option. Keep us posted if you notice any problems with the sub q injections. So zero pip? None at all?
 
Everybody eventually finds their preferred injection spot(s)
I thought I found mine. Been injecting cyp EOD into my thighs for a few years now, with literally zero PIP. But prop is definitely causing some annoying tenderness.

I just researched online about prop and sub q injections, and all I could find was steroid users saying that sub q hurt more than IM lol. So very interested to see how IceFyre does with them.
 
I thought I found mine. Been injecting cyp EOD into my thighs for a few years now, with literally zero PIP. But prop is definitely causing some annoying tenderness.

I just researched online about prop and sub q injections, and all I could find was steroid users saying that sub q hurt more than IM lol. So very interested to see how IceFyre does with them.
Been about 5~ days ED injections and no issues to report!
 
Any updates from the guys that switched to Propionate?

I'm trying to decide between going with the Propionate or the cream using scrotal application.
I've been on it a few weeks now about to get bloods set up for later this week will report back I'll be getting a full panel just to see what alls changing
 
No changes with me either yet. I still have 3 weeks until the cypionate is fully out of my system. Hoping to notice some differences once I have just propionate in my system.

One update I have is that I no longer have PIP. I always inject into my thighs, with a 27 gauge 1/2” syringe. My first couple injections, I was injecting into the lateral parts of my thighs, where the muscle was more dense, and it was causing pretty bad PIP. I started injecting more towards the top of my thighs, and the PIP basically went away. With cyp, had zero PIP. With prop now, injecting into the top of my thighs, the soreness is extremely minimal, but still present. Not even close to enough to bother me or anything though. Just enough to basically remind me where I injected the day before. And it goes away after a day or two.
 
No changes with me either yet. I still have 3 weeks until the cypionate is fully out of my system. Hoping to notice some differences once I have just propionate in my system.

One update I have is that I no longer have PIP. I always inject into my thighs, with a 27 gauge 1/2” syringe. My first couple injections, I was injecting into the lateral parts of my thighs, where the muscle was more dense, and it was causing pretty bad PIP. I started injecting more towards the top of my thighs, and the PIP basically went away. With cyp, had zero PIP. With prop now, injecting into the top of my thighs, the soreness is extremely minimal, but still present. Not even close to enough to bother me or anything though. Just enough to basically remind me where I injected the day before. And it goes away after a day or two.
Try your shoulders too I've had zero issues my thighs have a little bit but it was more so with the cyp. I'm also using a 30g 1/2 tho.
 
You are correct. SHBG most certainly does affect the rate at which testosterone metsbolizes and leaves the body. I can’t even recall the rationale for trying Propionate / it was such a bad idea.

We have to inject daily with Cypionate or Enanthate because it metabolizes faster than the 3/4 day half life, so apply that same logic to Propionate which has a half life of 24 hours. I would inject at 8am and by 2pm be hypogonadal. Like I said, it was great at first. It took a while (maybe 6-8 weeks to notice this) but even my wife got scared from seeing the changes in me and wanted to know what was wrong.

I don’t have the exact lab results at hand right now but >1500 TT in the am, 600-650ish in the pm.
40ish FT in the am and dropping to mid teens in the pm. Very large rollercoaster / repeat that daily.

Just stick with the longer esters. If Cypionate/Enanthate aren’t working then try supplementing with a scrotal cream.
what is your current regimen? injections and scrotal cream?
 

bp

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Why not try Sustenon which is both short and long acting. For me it’s my first choice.
Ive got myself some of this from the pharmacy Tommy. ( i asked my trt doc to give me a script of it, with the intention of trying it once my enanthate runs out.)

Whats your protocol with it?

Im a massive outlyer, a huge hyper responder to test. i only use 55mg per week and pin every day ( 55mg/7)...this gives me optimal levels of test shgb and e2. ( on paper)

But to be honest, ive never felt awesome, even though my numbers on paper are good, and had heard so many good things ( and bad) about sustanon 250.

Are you pinning every other day?
 

bp

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Read about vitamin E at raypeatforum.com, they linked some studies (guys are pretty anti E & pro DHT over there). Vitamin E (tocopherol) Is A Potent Aromatase Inhibitor

Would confirm from feeling, but don't have lab values that are isolating before and after vitamin E, just subjective feeling n=1.
I did a control with vit e (mixed tocopherols, but highest percentage being alpha). Just out of interest as it only cost me 30 dollars ( the e2 test,...but, not ultrasensitive!!)

e2 dropped by 5 units (usa units), which is a pretty decent drop!
However, this was using 1000iu per day for two months.

I never followed this control test up, however did use the same lab, same day of the week, and did my damnest to keep everything else as it was, all protocols the same.
 
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