Testosterone Cream- Scrotum VS other areas

[eli]

Has anyone compared T cream on scrotum versus other areas of body and got bloodwork to see what the difference is


I'm aching to go back on the cream on scrotum. It's the only method that honestly makes me never need Cialis/Viagra, but the hairloss is really terrible. Luckily my hair came right back after I stopped using the cream, after a few months. Didn't even know that'd be possible.


I'm thinking maybe a different area of body I could apply and not have a crazy high DHT level and feel the same benefits.

 

[Wolverine]

I have. One click (50mg) atrevis based compounded gel had by T levels at 888, FT at 211 (35-155) and DHT at 287 (12-65). Labs done 9 hours after application. 4 clicks total on my biceps and inner arms had my T level at 1026, FT at 21 (7-24) and unfortunately, I did not have DHT measured. This was 9 hours after application. I'm currently back to the bicep and inner arm application and will have labs done in a couple of weeks. I'll measure DHT. I like the gel application to scrotum, but don't want my DHT running that high.

 

[Willyt]

I have. One click (50mg) atrevis based compounded gel had by T levels at 888, FT at 211 (35-155) and DHT at 287 (12-65). Labs done 9 hours after application. 4 clicks total on my biceps and inner arms had my T level at 1026, FT at 21 (7-24) and unfortunately, I did not have DHT measured. This was 9 hours after application. I'm currently back to the bicep and inner arm application and will have labs done in a couple of weeks. I'll measure DHT. I like the gel application to scrotum, but don't want my DHT running that high.

That DHT test will be interesting to see. Sounds like your getting great absorption though the atrevis base. Had you tried the non-atrevis base cream? If yes, how did it compare?

 

[Hyrulewarrior1978]

Has anyone compared T cream on scrotum versus other areas of body and got bloodwork to see what the difference is


I'm aching to go back on the cream on scrotum. It's the only method that honestly makes me never need Cialis/Viagra, but the hairloss is really terrible. Luckily my hair came right back after I stopped using the cream, after a few months. Didn't even know that'd be possible.


I'm thinking maybe a different area of body I could apply and not have a crazy high DHT level and feel the same benefits.

The anal canal can absorb it really well. Try it and take a blood test four hours after. I personally have tried other areas and doesn’t absorb well unless you used a shit ton of cream. The atrevis base gave me a skin reaction so for me that was out.

 

[eli]

I have. One click (50mg) atrevis based compounded gel had by T levels at 888, FT at 211 (35-155) and DHT at 287 (12-65). Labs done 9 hours after application. 4 clicks total on my biceps and inner arms had my T level at 1026, FT at 21 (7-24) and unfortunately, I did not have DHT measured. This was 9 hours after application. I'm currently back to the bicep and inner arm application and will have labs done in a couple of weeks. I'll measure DHT. I like the gel application to scrotum, but don't want my DHT running that high.

So let's see.

On scrotum, you had lower TT levels but high out of range FT levels.

4x the amount on arms, you had higher TT levels but lower than scrotum FT levels.

Do you have E2? Looks like you're converting more to E2.


How do you feel btw the two protocols?

 

[Wolverine]

That DHT test will be interesting to see. Sounds like your getting great absorption though the atrevis base. Had you tried the non-atrevis base cream? If yes, how did it compare?

When I first went on TRT about 8 years ago I tried regular cream and Axiron and didnt absorb. Atrevis gel definitely much better. I have also tried pellets and been on injections for a long time.

 

[Wolverine]

So let's see.

On scrotum, you had lower TT levels but high out of range FT levels.

4x the amount on arms, you had higher TT levels but lower than scrotum FT levels.

Do you have E2? Looks like you're converting more to E2.


How do you feel btw the two protocols?

E2 on scrotum was 5 but I as taking aromasin, which I stopped. E2 non scrotum was 32 but it was not sensitive, so not sure my E levels help at all. Went back to injections and now back to gel last week. Too early to judge how I feel.

 

[eli]

E2 on scrotum was 5 but I as taking aromasin, which I stopped. E2 non scrotum was 32 but it was not sensitive, so not sure my E levels help at all.

Did you have high E2 symptoms? Why did you take aromasin . Because you convert less to E2 with scrotum application.

How are you feeling now with the arm and shoulder application

 

[Wolverine]

Did you have high E2 symptoms? Why did you take aromasin . Because you convert less to E2 with scrotum application.

How are you feeling now with the arm and shoulder application

Too early to judge how I feel. E numbers were high on prior labs with gel on scrotum (70).

 

[Jerajera]

Did you have high E2 symptoms? Why did you take aromasin . Because you convert less to E2 with scrotum application.

The opposite was true for me.

I aromatized less on inner biceps/forearm application than on scrotum application. Significantly less, actually. It was eivdent not only from labs but also visually as I was a lot less bloated with non-scrotal application at the same Test levels

 

[eli]

The opposite was true for me.

I aromatized less on inner biceps/forearm application than on scrotum application. Significantly less, actually. It was eivdent not only from labs but also visually as I was a lot less bloated with non-scrotal application at the same Test levels

Can you post blood for both methods

 

[Jerajera]

Can you post blood for both methods

On 4 clicks (200mg) of the cream applied to scrotum, my E2 sensitive was 40pg/mL while my Free T was 25ng/dL.

On 8 clicks (400mg) applied to inner biceps (short-lived experiment, I wasn't sure whether the cream would absorb in non-scrotal areas so I went all out so as to not waste my time if my entire prescription wasn't enough to get decent levels), my E2 sensitive was also 40pg/mL while my Free T came back at 65ng/dL.

I was noticeably a lot dryer on the non-scrotal application. My face and body became much leaner over a few days' time, not bloated at all vs scrotal application.

Maybe the scrotal application triggers intra-testicular production of E2, I'm not sure. For me at least, the difference in aromatization was very noticeable, both on paper and as far as typical side effects of high E2 (for me).

 

[tareload]

On 8 clicks (400mg) applied to inner biceps (short-lived experiment, I wasn't sure whether the cream would absorb in non-scrotal areas so I went all out so as to not waste my time if my entire prescription wasn't enough to get decent levels), my E2 sensitive was also 40pg/mL while my Free T came back at 65ng/dL.

Wow you were not messing around. Blood taken how many hours after application?

 

[Jerajera]

Wow you were not messing around. Blood taken how many hours after application?

Haha I was definitely not expecting levels that high, I backed off immediately to half the dose. Blood was taken 24 hours post application believe it or not. I wish I'd done labs at peak levels just out of curiosity.

I initially thought it could've been contamination of the drawing syringe with some cream residue on my inside elbow even though I was very careful with that, but half the dose later showed Free T at 28ng/dL 24 hours post application, about what you'd expect given the first result.

So for me at least the cream absorbed very well. I did spread it on as wide an area as I could, and I think that probably makes a difference as I would imagine there's a saturation point

 

[Wolverine]

On 4 clicks (200mg) of the cream applied to scrotum, my E2 sensitive was 40pg/mL while my Free T was 25ng/dL.

On 8 clicks (400mg) applied to inner biceps (short-lived experiment, I wasn't sure whether the cream would absorb in non-scrotal areas so I went all out so as to not waste my time if my entire prescription wasn't enough to get decent levels), my E2 sensitive was also 40pg/mL while my Free T came back at 65ng/dL.

I was noticeably a lot dryer on the non-scrotal application. My face and body became much leaner over a few days' time, not bloated at all vs scrotal application.

Maybe the scrotal application triggers intra-testicular production of E2, I'm not sure. For me at least, the difference in aromatization was very noticeable, both on paper and as far as typical side effects of high E2 (for me).

Did you do DHT? Would be interesting to see the DHT difference between scrotal and inner bicep applications. I've done scrotal at various amounts and my DHT was off the charts each time. My lowest was 1 click (50mg) which resulted in a DHT of 287ng/dL (top of range is 65). I'm doing inner bicep now (2 clicks, 100mg) and will run some labs shortly. Will get DHT done.

I've had dry skin since switching to the cream and notice a very tight scrotum. Wonder if the excessive DHT is antagonizing the E and also causing excessive norepinephrine.

 

[Jerajera]

Did you do DHT? Would be interesting to see the DHT difference between scrotal and inner bicep applications. I've done scrotal at various amounts and my DHT was off the charts each time. My lowest was 1 click (50mg) which resulted in a DHT of 287ng/dL (top of range is 65). I'm doing inner bicep now (2 clicks, 100mg) and will run some labs shortly. Will get DHT done.

I've had dry skin since switching to the cream and notice a very tight scrotum. Wonder if the excessive DHT is antagonizing the E and also causing excessive norepinephrine.

Unfortunately I didn't do DHT for biceps application since it's around $80 on its own and I was getting lots of labs done at the time. I should've just done it in retrospect.

DHT on scrotal application was 500ng/dL on 2 clicks AM + 2 clicks PM (200mg/day) at trough levels 12 hours post application, and 350ng/dL on 1 click AM and 1 click PM at trough also.

I typically have high DHT though, even on injections. My DHT pre-TRT was around 65ng/dL, and on 18mg/day Test Cyp was around 120ng/dL (range 12-65) even though Free T was only top of the range at 25ng/dL.

 

[eli]

Did you do DHT? Would be interesting to see the DHT difference between scrotal and inner bicep applications. I've done scrotal at various amounts and my DHT was off the charts each time. My lowest was 1 click (50mg) which resulted in a DHT of 287ng/dL (top of range is 65). I'm doing inner bicep now (2 clicks, 100mg) and will run some labs shortly. Will get DHT done.

I've had dry skin since switching to the cream and notice a very tight scrotum. Wonder if the excessive DHT is antagonizing the E and also causing excessive norepinephrine.

So far, have you noticed a difference btw inner bicep and scrotum like our other friend here?

 

[Wolverine]

Did some labs on one click (50mg each) on each inner bicep, labs done 9 hours after application. Current labs on inner biceps shows T level at 411, FT at 10.6 (7.2 - 24), DHT at 183 (30-85). RBC at 6.04, HBG a 17.7 with HCT at 53.1, all high. Interesting with the T levels so low that my RCB, HBG and HCT are high. Research shows that DHT can drive up these values. Also, my E nonsensitive was <5, so that is crashed. I'm assuming a result of the chronically high DHT and low T levels. No AI.

Prior labs showed one click (50mg) atrevis based compounded gel on scrotum and had T levels at 888, FT at 211 (35-155) and DHT at 287 (12-65). Labs done 9 hours after application. CBC not done. 2 clicks on scrotum had me at T of 1391, FT at 373 (35-155), DHT at 359 (12-65), E sensitive at 70.

For me, n=1, the high DHT gives me BPH symptoms and results in elevated CBC numbers, and no matter where I apply, it results in way over the top DHT numbers, and just not feeling great. I am noticing some better muscle development, likely due to the high DHT, but it's not worth it. Back to injections.

 

[eli]

Did some labs on one click (50mg each) on each inner bicep, labs done 9 hours after application. Current labs on inner biceps shows T level at 411, FT at 10.6 (7.2 - 24), DHT at 183 (30-85). RBC at 6.04, HBG a 17.7 with HCT at 53.1, all high. Interesting with the T levels so low that my RCB, HBG and HCT are high. Research shows that DHT can drive up these values. Also, my E nonsensitive was <5, so that is crashed. I'm assuming a result of the chronically high DHT and low T levels. No AI.

Prior labs showed one click (50mg) atrevis based compounded gel on scrotum and had T levels at 888, FT at 211 (35-155) and DHT at 287 (12-65). Labs done 9 hours after application. CBC not done. 2 clicks on scrotum had me at T of 1391, FT at 373 (35-155), DHT at 359 (12-65), E sensitive at 70.

For me, n=1, the high DHT gives me BPH symptoms and results in elevated CBC numbers, and no matter where I apply, it results in way over the top DHT numbers, and just not feeling great. I am noticing some better muscle development, likely due to the high DHT, but it's not worth it. Back to injections.

Interesting

Application on inner bicep didn't make me feel good, so went back on scrotum application

My CBC is always lower with the cream even when my DHT lebels are through the roof. Hematocrit around 47 when DHT in 400s. When I do low dose injections hematocrit 50,

 

[BadassBlues]

An alternative is just apply to the scrotum periodically. If you have a hot date, weekends etc... Keep the daily use to your shoulders, arms or whatever works best for you. A nice little weekend spike in DHT won't aggravate your prostate or cause hair loss.