Testogel - increased dosage and libido went down

[trtthings]

I'd been on 50mg/daily for 2 months. Morning wood was present every day. Did at most 0.5mg anasrozole.

Bumped to 100mg/daily for 5 days, libido seems down, no morning wood, dry eyes.. I started by increasing anastrozole as well but dropped it for the last 2 of the 5 days.

Has anyone experienced anything similar?

I'm thinking about either:
* Sticking it out at 100mg without AI
* Trying maybe 75mg without AI (or at the same amount I was taking)

 

[madman]

I'd been on 50mg/daily for 2 months. Morning wood was present every day. Did at most 0.5mg anasrozole.

Bumped to 100mg/daily for 5 days, libido seems down, no morning wood, dry eyes.. I started by increasing anastrozole as well but dropped it for the last 2 of the 5 days.

Has anyone experienced anything similar?

I'm thinking about either:
* Sticking it out at 100mg without AI
* Trying maybe 75mg without AI (or at the same amount I was taking)

You need labs done before jumping to any conclusions and increasing your T dose from 50mg-100 mg/daily is going to not only drive up your TT/FT but also your estradiol let alone your hemoglobin/hematocrit.

What TT/FT/e2 levels were you achieving on 50mg/daily and where does your SHBG sit?

Pointless to increase the AI dose when you have absolutely no clue where your e2 levels sit.

 

[Bryan_K77]

I'd been on 50mg/daily for 2 months. Morning wood was present every day. Did at most 0.5mg anasrozole.

Bumped to 100mg/daily for 5 days, libido seems down, no morning wood, dry eyes.. I started by increasing anastrozole as well but dropped it for the last 2 of the 5 days.

Has anyone experienced anything similar?

I'm thinking about either:
* Sticking it out at 100mg without AI
* Trying maybe 75mg without AI (or at the same amount I was taking)

Potential low estrogen symptoms?? I wouldn’t imagine you would need an ai on testogel as I can’t imagine 50 mg applying non scrotal would drive T levels up to awful high, but who knows

 

[trtthings]

You need labs done before jumping to any conclusions and increasing your T dose from 50mg-100 mg/daily is going to not only drive up your TT/FT but also your estradiol let alone your hemoglobin/hematocrit.

What TT/FT/e2 levels were you achieving on 50mg/daily and where does your SHBG sit?

Pointless to increase the AI dose when you have absolutely no clue where your e2 levels sit.

24nmol/L, this is around 692ng/dl. Unfortunately I have neither free T nor estradiol or SHBG.

 

[M.J]

I am doing 100mg cream now a lone for one week in the shoulder with no results.
No morning wood m, bad erection but libido seems strangely Not that bad.

I may try Scrotal... and see how good is it.

 

[Systemlord]

Bumped to 100mg/daily for 5 days, libido seems down, no morning wood, dry eyes.. I started by increasing anastrozole as well but dropped it for the last 2 of the 5 days.

The anastrozole is causing your symptoms, I've experience these symptoms before on anastrozole including the dry eyes.

 

[trtthings]

The anastrozole is causing your symptoms, I've experience these symptoms before on anastrozole including the dry eyes.

Yeah, it's strange.. I do know that I get dry eyes when low on E2.
But I think my mood tanks when it's high, as well as, potentially the libido. Or at least erection quality.

 

[M.J]

I am using hydrogel and my e and t sky rocketed with 100mg once on scortal felt nothing I am reducing the amount now to see if I can get some improvements

 

[Bryan_K77]

I am using hydrogel and my e and t sky rocketed with 100mg once on scortal felt nothing I am reducing the amount now to see if I can get some improvements

By hydrogel, are you referring to Atrevis? What pharmacy are you using brutha? Hopefully you get symptom resolution with the change, keep us filled in.

 

[trtthings]

Update:
After 3 consecutive days at 75mg with .25mg anastrozole/adex every day the morning wood is back. The mood seems better as well.

 

[Bryan_K77]

Update:
After 3 consecutive days at 75mg with .25mg anastrozole/adex every day the morning wood is back. The mood seems better as well.

I’m not saying this to sound like the smart guy in the room so to speak, but many of the top trt docs now believe that by blocking aromatase you could be doing serious harm long term. You have no idea what tissues in the body, like the brain for example, where it’s being blocked.

 

[trtthings]

I’m not saying this to sound like the smart guy in the room so to speak, but many of the top trt docs now believe that by blocking aromatase you could be doing serious harm long term. You have no idea what tissues in the body, like the brain for example, where it’s being blocked.

Fair point - but if I feel horrible when E2 is up, unacceptable without testosterone treatment, then I need to find out a happy medium. But we're still talking somewhere between 0.5 - 1mg per week. I think I'm going to try .25mg EOD with the 75mg, see where that lands me after a while.

 

[madman]

Fair point - but if I feel horrible when E2 is up, unacceptable without testosterone treatment, then I need to find out a happy medium. But we're still talking somewhere between 0.5 - 1mg per week. I think I'm going to try .25mg EOD with the 75mg, see where that lands me after a while.

Again you have absolutely no idea where your estradiol sits let alone TT/FT levels on such does!

You need labs before deciding on your next move and even then I would proceed with caution when using an aromatase inhibitor to manipulate e2.

Healthy levels of estradiol are critical and AIs are very powerful even when using micro-doses.

Testosterone metabolites dht and estradiol are needed in healthy amounts to experience the full spectrum of beneficial effects.

Healthy levels of estradiol are critical in men as it plays a strong role in overall health (brain, bone, cardiovascular, immune, libido/erectile function, body composition).

Estradiol is an Important Hormone for Men

* read full paper (pdf) MECHANISMS IN ENDOCRINOLOGY Estradiol as a male hormone Nicholas Russell and Mathis Grossmann Abstract Evidence has been accumulating that, in men, some of the biological actions traditionally attributed to testosterone acting via the androgen receptor may...

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[trtthings]

Again you have absolutely no idea where your estradiol sits let alone TT/FT levels on such does!

You need labs before deciding on your next move and even then I would proceed with caution when using an aromatase inhibitor to manipulate e2.

Healthy levels of estradiol are critical and AIs are very powerful even when using micro-doses.

Testosterone metabolites dht and estradiol are needed in healthy amounts to experience the full spectrum of beneficial effects.

Healthy levels of estradiol are critical in men as it plays a strong role in overall health (brain, bone, cardiovascular, immune, libido/erectile function, body composition).

Estradiol is an Important Hormone for Men

* read full paper (pdf) MECHANISMS IN ENDOCRINOLOGY Estradiol as a male hormone Nicholas Russell and Mathis Grossmann Abstract Evidence has been accumulating that, in men, some of the biological actions traditionally attributed to testosterone acting via the androgen receptor may...

www.excelmale.com

Thanks madman I appreciate the response.

I have previously seen total T of around 800 ng/dl accompanied with estradiol of 228 pmol/l which is 62pg/ml if I'm not mistaken.

I know - again - I don't know the labs right now. But I know I was feeling exactly the same as I was feeling then. And I know AI seems to ameliorate this to some degree but I can't overdo it or I become tired as well. Again I also see a very noticeable difference in morning wood when I lower the E2.

But yes, I don't know the E2, it's rarely tested where I'm from. So what I will do is continue 75mg test and a dose of .25mg EOD anastrozole/adex. If I feel like shit from that I will modify.

 

[M.J]

By hydrogel, are you referring to Atrevis? What pharmacy are you using brutha? Hopefully you get symptom resolution with the change, keep us filled in.

I am using Health Choice apothecary compounding product. The stuff is really strong I guess too strong on me that I am going now to 25mg daily (I apply quarter of the amount)

libido is good however erection is notgood and morning wood is not there anymore. I just reduced the amountI will see what will I am guessing this could be caused by high E it I am not sure I am surprised until nowcream is not what I was expecting.

 

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Quais são as hipóteses Testogel é indicado? TT e TF levemente baixos? É semelhante ao Natesto?